I live in Dallas. See? I technically don't but I say I do because nobody knows what Plano is, outside of DFW of course. See? I did it again! Because it's one metro area!
The government defined "metropolitan" areas often contain enormous physical areas of rural land and thoroughly separate urban areas. China and the U.S. are notoriously bad for inflated population numbers in a "metro" area.
The U.S. Census does tabulate actual urbnaized areas, which often differ greatly. However, they bafflingly break down a few solidly continual urban areas such as Los Angeles and San Francisco into several urban areas, which leaves an underrepresentation of overall urban population. Go figure.
Yes, San Francisco/Oakland and San Jose are usually counted as two separate metro areas. Same with Los Angeles/Anaheim and Riverside. But both examples are really one urban area each.
Using just city population major world cities get reduced to small towns and expanses of suburban sprawl get turned into large cities. Metropolitan population much more closely reflects the real world reality than arbitrary and imaginary lines around cities. Take California - using city population San Francisco is just two Bakersfields. Go to one and then the other - that patently does not reflect the realities. In Australia the warping of reality is even plainer. What are the five largest cities in Australia? You might think Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide. Going by official city population it's Brisbane, Gold Coast, Moreton Bay, Canterbury, Central Coast.
The City of London is a separate entity to Greater London, though it is enclaved inside of it. According to Wikipedia the City is 2.9 sq km and has 10,847 people, it functions completely independently of Greater London, which is what most people mean when they say London, and Greater London, which is the capital city of the UK, not the City, has a city proper area of 1572 sq km and a population of 8,855,333 people. I agree that urban area is superior, and as such will mention that London has an urban area of 1738 sq km and a metro area of 8382 sq km, and their respective populations are 9,787,428 and 15,100,000. I just want to make it clear that the two should not be confused, and the London city proper is both of them together, not just the City.
Well, you're confusing the City of London with London. I still believe, that city populations are the better measurements. It is easy, to take the population of nearby cities into accountance, but figuring out, where a metro area ends or beginns is far harder and often arbitrary. City population may be counterintuitiv in many instances, but it is far more precise.
Some metro and urban areas have multiple highly populated cities, but people often only know the main core city, like Mexico City.
How many people know all the cities within all the urban or metro areas in the world?
City populations can also be misleading. Spokane city has a population of about 230,000. The urban area is about 447,000. Even the metro area is only 600,000. Salt Lake City, on the other hand, has a smaller population of 200,000. However, its urban area is about 1.2 million, and the metro area is 1.3 million, and practically speaking, the urban area could include Provo-Orem, putting the population over 2 million.
The greater Manchester urban area consists of Manchester, Bolton, Sale, Rochdale, Stockport and Salford, plus lots of smaller ares that bring it up to 3 million. Manchester itself only has 514 thousand.
Man, doing urban area rather than city proper really makes a difference. Miami city proper has somewhat more than 600,000. Its urban area is practically ten times that.
Should accept San Jose, the city itself is larger than San Francisco and is as much the central city of the Bay Area as San Francisco. Also should accept St Paul, it is comparable in size to Minneapolis and is almost always mentioned together, twin cities or Minneapolis/St Paul.
I was very doubtful about Durban, but in the 2011 census 49.75% gave English as their first language, when in 2001 it was only 29%. So I guess that is enough to count for this quiz.
Singapore should be included. According Wikipedia (which in turn cites a reliable source), 36.9% speak English as the "language most frequently spoken at home", just ahead of Mandarin at 34.9%. By your criteria that makes it a city where English is the most spoken first language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore#Languages
So I take it that Singapore population figure takes in Johor Bahru too? Cos it is quite a bit bigger than the population of the Republic of Singapore. I suspect with it included, Mandarin once again overtakes English as the most spoken first language, though I can't find precise figures for Johor Bahru to get the totals for the whole metro area.
The Boston statistical area contains the entire state of Rhode Island, two thirds of Massachusetts (ending just past Worcester) and all of the major cities in New Hampshire.
No it doesn't, but the source (citypopulation.de) is notorious for grossly overinflating "urban" population statistics by using "metropolitan" statistics instead. For example the U.S. Census Bureau just uses local county boundaries, no matter how gargantuan and no matter how much extra rural population. And Chinese cities which are famously hyperinflated with rural districts larger than most European countries.
I'm pretty confident citypopulation.de uses the Boston CSA (or a very similar definition) that includes Eastern Mass, all of Rhode Island and southern New Hampshire for its' hugely inflated urban area figure.
Same with the netherlands, though it is not what is spoken at home. (though it does seems to go to english more and more. A lot of sentences sneak in. Kids 4 year old say ready set go, before they do something like race eachother. Instead of a phrase that has allways been used here, (klaar voor de start, af). And I can give you many many more examples, little kids talk to eachother and their parents in english for fun. But like I said above, a lot of everyday sentences have been replaced by english ones.
Not just kids. Saying "ready?" When you are about to leave and waiting for the other person, is normal and used as much as the dutch version by adults. "Nice" has replaced its counterpart. "No way!" is normal. The list is rather big. So I'll stop now ;)
Partly because it would be true of most Quebecers, but partly because West Islanders are as fiercely anglophone as the rest of the province is francophone.
You would be safe to add Accra. Most people in Ghana speak English, and most English speakers use it as their primary language. No other African language comes close in terms of exclusive use. However, Accra and Kumasi aren't populous enough to make the list.
Drive Route One between them and tell me where the suburbs from either one start and the other begins. Their downtowns are closer than those of Dallas and Fort Worth.
I expected Jacksonville to be here instead of Miami bc Miami is infested with spanish speakers while Jacksonville has a higher population and over there I’ve seen more English speakers
Much has been written on the topic and I'll just add to it. If we are stating "first-language", South African cities are not likely to be included (even taking in the concentration in cities). However, if it is about what is mostly spoken or understood including 2nd level or non-native, South Africa (and others) might very well be on this list.
Yeah, they changed it last year. It makes sense, IMO, given their proximity, and how Australia spams everything into its gigantic, sprawling urban areas.
Manchester/Liverpool has 3x the density of Melbourne for example
They might be geographically fairly close but I don't think it makes sense at all for a quiz called 'English speaking cities'. I know both of the two cities and they are never lumped together. They're separated by green space and are very distinct cities in their own right.
English is not the most common first language in Singapore or Johor Bahru (Malaysia). It is the main language of government and business, but mandarin/chinese dialects far exceed English as a first language in Singapore, as does Malay in Johor Bahru.
English overtook Mandarin in Singapore itself, but when you include Johor Bahru is it still the most common language?
I've just come back to this comment after looking for the data, and it's incredibly hard to find. I think there is one paper on it - "The linguistic landscape of a Malaysian border town: How English language is allowed to thrive outside of the law" - however I don't have access to that.
An excerpt I have found from the paper quoted elsewhere seems to have it in line with Singapore though, so keeping it in this quiz may be the right move.
I don't understand the beef with Melbourne being recognised as having 5 million people. If you look at roads, public transport, and other infrastructure to support that population it's all built around being a single metropolitan area. Satellite towns like Geelong aren't included because they have some distinct self-containment despite a sizeable number of people commuting to Melbourne for work. Recording population by a local government areas makes far less sense when looking at "largest cities" as they're just arbitrary boundaries drawn to optimise local administration resources and really serve no other purpose.
At our last census, Melbourne overtook Sydney as the largest city in Australia. Sydney didn't like it and made our statisticians remove a few suburbs from the official extent of Melbourne.
Manchester and Liverpool are very much not one interconnected urban area. I'm not saying you shouldn't go with your data source, but for anyone who knows the two cities it seems completely counterintuitive.
Oh wow South Africa was removed. When I originally took the quiz, I thought that there were too many other major languages in South Africa for it to be removed. I never checked, but I guess I was right.
Man, I remember when this quiz left off Miami, and boy oh boy did people have opinions about that. I kinda miss it though, it was a novel, intriguing take. And then I look back at the oldest post-Miami-addition comments and realize that the Miami-less era was well over a decade ago... this website makes me feel old sometimes... don't even get me started on thinking about how long it must be now since Kal's been in Dammam....
The U.S. Census does tabulate actual urbnaized areas, which often differ greatly. However, they bafflingly break down a few solidly continual urban areas such as Los Angeles and San Francisco into several urban areas, which leaves an underrepresentation of overall urban population. Go figure.
How many people know all the cities within all the urban or metro areas in the world?
City populations can also be misleading. Spokane city has a population of about 230,000. The urban area is about 447,000. Even the metro area is only 600,000. Salt Lake City, on the other hand, has a smaller population of 200,000. However, its urban area is about 1.2 million, and the metro area is 1.3 million, and practically speaking, the urban area could include Provo-Orem, putting the population over 2 million.
But I think in Miami proper (which is less than 10% of the urban area) Spanish is more spoken.
Not just kids. Saying "ready?" When you are about to leave and waiting for the other person, is normal and used as much as the dutch version by adults. "Nice" has replaced its counterpart. "No way!" is normal. The list is rather big. So I'll stop now ;)
Partly because it would be true of most Quebecers, but partly because West Islanders are as fiercely anglophone as the rest of the province is francophone.
In the urban area, not even close.
Manchester/Liverpool has 3x the density of Melbourne for example
Birmingham, Alabama is very small.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Singapore
I've just come back to this comment after looking for the data, and it's incredibly hard to find. I think there is one paper on it - "The linguistic landscape of a Malaysian border town: How English language is allowed to thrive outside of the law" - however I don't have access to that.
An excerpt I have found from the paper quoted elsewhere seems to have it in line with Singapore though, so keeping it in this quiz may be the right move.
I assume that Manchester/Liverpool is one interconnected urban area.
For perspective, Melbourne's density is not much greater than Rwanda's (the entire country of Rwanda).