Writing something down doesn't make it true. According to the constitution of Venezuela, citizens have a right to employment, health care and freedom of expression. In reality, they don't. The United Nations can say whatever they want. They could say that the moon is made of cheese. It doesn't change the reality that Taiwan is an independent country.
+Citronnier Taiwan's constitution says that Taiwan is part of China, but that the ROC is the legitimate government. "China" is an entity greater than any party.
Fun fact: Taiwan also holds the original copy of the Treaty of Nanjing, meaning that Taiwan legally owns Hong Kong. But that isn't real, just like whatever the UN says.
1. that is not how treaties work. these documents were signed between "the governments of china and britain." as ROC was no longer recognized as the legitimate government of china by most of the UN including the UK, hong kong would not legally be taiwan's, even though they owned the physical treaty.
2. the treaty of nanking isn't the 99 year lease that you are probably thinking of that ended up giving hong kong back to china. the treaty of nanking is the document that gives hong kong island and kowloon to the uk "in perpetuity". it's the "convention for the extension of hong kong territory" that gave the uk the new territories in 1998 for 99 years. the PRC believed that they had the right to hold the entire hong kong territories, and would use force to take it, if necessary. the 99 years provided a convenient moment to press the issue, leading to the british capitulating and letting it all go, despite that not being part of the treaty.
The funny thing is that most Taiwanese would be happy to "relinquish their claim" to the mainland and simply concern themselves with their own independence. And if China simply admitted that a place with its own president, currency, military, immigration, passport, etc. was an independent country and let them live freely, then they could easily court Taiwan into their "diplomatic sphere". Instead, they threaten to "blow up Taiwan" and with their threats drive the majority of the people away from them into the arms of the USA and Japan.
How many countries need to recognize a country before it's a country? Before 1954, only 20 countries recognized the PRC as a country, a similarly tiny amount to Taiwan today. So are you saying that for the first 5 years of the PRC, the PRC was not a country? If the UN or US is needed, then the PRC wasn't a country until 1971 or 1979? So was China just in a state of anarchy until then?
No, because there are different definitions of a "country". De jure, according to Chinese law, it is not, but those laws have no impact because China exerts no control over Taiwan. Using international recognition to define what's a country is also stupid, because international recognition is a very recent concept. If you take this as your definition, then essentially countries didn't exist before 1500.
De facto, Taiwan is an independent country, which runs itself.
What you are really arguing is that it SHOULDN'T be a country, not that it isn't. That's a different argument altogether.
@Douglas216 - Weird then that China -- by which I assume you mean the People's Republic of China -- has no governmental control at all there, gets no taxes from them or cut of their GDP, and uses a different currency.
Countries that recognize Taiwan: Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Vatican City, Honduras, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau, Paraguay, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Tuvalu. So we live in a world where it only takes 13 countries to recognize it to become a country? LMFAO If it is a country, why doesn't the US or the United Nations recognize it???
It has its own system of government, currency, military, border controls, foreign policy. Saying it is not an independent country is really playing with semantics.
Could Kai Shek work for Chiang Kai Shek? Only Chiang works as of now. I know that the Chinese put the family name first but I feel like "Kai Shek" is enough to show that someone knows who the person is.
Countries that recognize Taiwan: Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Vatican City, Honduras, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau, Paraguay, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Tuvalu. So we live in a world where it only takes 13 countries to recognize it to become a country? LMFAO If it is a country, why doesn't the US or the United Nations recognize it???
Because they're scared of breaking ties with China, a much more "powerful" country in terms of diplomacy. The United States citizens and government definitely show their support for Taiwan, giving aid, but the official stance is that the People's Republic is the "true" China so that trade relations don't break since the United States are so reliant on Chinese manufacturing. That's why alot of Americans are pushing on the "Made in America" stance, to stop the reliance.
I have been reminded that oftentimes on these quizzes the name of the country ends up being one of the answers for something you wouldn't necessarily expect
Taiwan is certernly not a normal province of China, because it's a f*ing rebel province of China. If Taiwan can be a country, where is Northern Cyprus? Where is Somaliland? Where is Western Sahara? Where are the countless warlords in Syria, Afghanistan,....? Double standard can't make you wiser, seeing what only you like to see brings nothing but blindness.
Kuomintang has an English translation of "Nationalist Party"
Fun fact: Taiwan also holds the original copy of the Treaty of Nanjing, meaning that Taiwan legally owns Hong Kong. But that isn't real, just like whatever the UN says.
2. the treaty of nanking isn't the 99 year lease that you are probably thinking of that ended up giving hong kong back to china. the treaty of nanking is the document that gives hong kong island and kowloon to the uk "in perpetuity". it's the "convention for the extension of hong kong territory" that gave the uk the new territories in 1998 for 99 years. the PRC believed that they had the right to hold the entire hong kong territories, and would use force to take it, if necessary. the 99 years provided a convenient moment to press the issue, leading to the british capitulating and letting it all go, despite that not being part of the treaty.
No, because there are different definitions of a "country". De jure, according to Chinese law, it is not, but those laws have no impact because China exerts no control over Taiwan. Using international recognition to define what's a country is also stupid, because international recognition is a very recent concept. If you take this as your definition, then essentially countries didn't exist before 1500.
De facto, Taiwan is an independent country, which runs itself.
What you are really arguing is that it SHOULDN'T be a country, not that it isn't. That's a different argument altogether.
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