I reset the comments which were unfortunately not up to par for this site. Please be considerate. This is not Reddit or Twitter. We are a trivia site, not a political debate site.
A lot of northern states have an aging population. They move south because it gets cold in the north. The way tax rates are set up is also more favorable in the south for the most part.
You're seeing what would've happened had air conditioning been around in the 18th and 19th century. Nice outside, nice inside. If too cold, people have always been able to heat (but not cool).
This can even be seen in sports trends as almost every NCAA football champion in the last 25 years is from the South, and lately most pro-sports champions. Besides one NHL team, in the last five years every Super Bowl, Stanley Cup, and World Series winner has been from the South (of Mason Dixon).
It also led to later manufacturing development in the South, so there's ample space for people. Small government types will say it's due to failed blue state policies, but that can be looked at two ways. Yes, shoddy unions drove businesses out of the North, but an over abundance of people were bound to head elsewhere once manufacturing slowed down, anyway.
I feel like I should carry on Kal's legacy and say something about the comment deletion, but on some level I can't blame QM for not wanting to be a forum moderator.
I miss that guy, though. Or, really, I miss the version of him who was around a decade ago. When he was still controversial, but nicer, and less bitterly cynical. I think Cristina really did a number on him....
In the recent past he left this website because he was angry about comment moderation policies. In the longer ago past of 2016, he dated a Romanian girl named Cristina who messed him up mentally, and sent him down a path of becoming meaner and more egregious in these comments sections, which eventually resulted in the former.
Would be interesting to see if these rankings differ significantly when looking at percentage of the population leaving. There are like half a dozen states whose entire population is less than the number of people who left California and all of these states are still growing except Illinois.
I think West Virginia has consistently been the worst when it comes to percentage? Although post-pandemic migration patterns mean large expensive states will still be highly represented
With our national birthrate dropping below the replacement rate, this will eventually be true for any place that immigrants don't prefer. Because immigration is what is keeping our total population from shrinking.
By and large, that's honestly one of the better dialogues I've seen regarding socio-political issues in the contemporary US, but the bar is admittedly quite low. Nevertheless, some of it goes over the line and is unbecoming of what this site is about.
I keep seeing people try to come up with all of these reasons why people are leaving the states yet glossing over the extremely obvious. Progressive politics are not as popular as people think they are. Now, people don't necessarily leave BECAUSE of the politics of the state, but they certainly leave if things get too expensive or if they feel unsafe and it seems that both of these are hallmarks of increasingly progressive policies.
They all voted left (except Louisiana and Pennsylvania) have crazy expensive prices (except Louisiana), they got big cities (except Hawaii and New Jersey), and people are sick of all of them
I don't know how Illinois makes it. California and New York will likely rebound - California has the most beautiful geography in the country and New York still has an incredible amount of intellectual capital. But Illinois is in a fiscal death spiral. A third of all the taxes the state collects go to retired state employees (most of whom are spending those dollars in places like Florida and Arizona). In Chicago, it's even worse. Over half of all property taxes go towards retired public employees. That is simply unsustainable. The must address that or wait decades for those people to die off. It's a tough issue.
I’m 55 and planing on retiring from my job in Florida and moving to Illinois. Much less expensive housing and no tax on retirement (just like Florida). I love the Chicago area. Lots to do. I won’t miss 6 months of summer and hurricanes and exploding prices. Things have just gotten to expensive and crowded in Florida for me. To each their own. It’s what make USA cool, lots of different options to live in.
Aren't places in Chicago sneaky expensive? Like, there are condos that only "cost" $200,000, but it's in an old building that is falling apart so HOA fees are like $2,000/month.
And you think Chicago is better?! If prices are horrible, move to places such as Alabama and West Virginia, two of the most affordable states to live in.
Chicago for Illinois. California will not rebound due to LA, San Diego, San Francisco, and all those major cities that raise prices, it has nothing to do with Geography, otherwise Appalachia would see major increases. New York has New York City as its problem as well as Buffalo, Albany, and Syracuse, also Intellectual Capital has nothing to do with population.
This can even be seen in sports trends as almost every NCAA football champion in the last 25 years is from the South, and lately most pro-sports champions. Besides one NHL team, in the last five years every Super Bowl, Stanley Cup, and World Series winner has been from the South (of Mason Dixon).
It also led to later manufacturing development in the South, so there's ample space for people. Small government types will say it's due to failed blue state policies, but that can be looked at two ways. Yes, shoddy unions drove businesses out of the North, but an over abundance of people were bound to head elsewhere once manufacturing slowed down, anyway.
I miss that guy, though. Or, really, I miss the version of him who was around a decade ago. When he was still controversial, but nicer, and less bitterly cynical. I think Cristina really did a number on him....
Immigrants make America great because they don't eff around with our crazy politics. This was even the case 200 years ago.