Oh nice. Agree with the medal policy change. Logical way to do it imo, as the number of places awarded medals is arbitrary in the end, if long established.
Early modern Olympics only awarded gold and silver. Some sports (e.g. U.S. Figure Skating apparently) give medals for fourth. Under 'gold first' the results stay essentially the same, just more detailed, no matter how many places we deem worthy of counting. Under 'total medals' they can vary wildly.
Appreciate that opinions on this subject vary wildly too though. Just my 2 coppers.
Anyway, congrats to Norway for storming the competition yet again, no matter how you count it. You guys must have an Olympic medal each at this point...!
Personally I think it's a dumb change. If that is the case, why isn't the quiz, Who won the most gold medals instead of what country finished atop the medal table?
If it was just 'who won the most golds' then Germany and Sweden would be tied, as would South Korea and the UK. The medal table isn't ignoring silver and bronze, it's just sorting by winners first, before runners up (as it should imo).
If you want a 'total medals won' quiz you can make it. But this is the way the medal table is ordered by the IOC and most of the world, so there's nothing wrong with the quiz title.
Ha, exactly. Any weighting like that would again be arbitrary. Two silvers don't equal one gold. If you were the runner up in the world at two things that doesn't mean you were the best in the world at one thing. Gold is the only position that is sacrosanct.
I follow tennis mostly. Andy Murray won 3 grand slams and was the runner up 8 times. Does that mean he won 7 grand slams? No, it means he's got a shelf full of shiny plates.
Or England were the runners up in the last two Euros. Does that mean we have the same number of wins as Portugal? I'd love it... but no.
no i disagree. If u make the weight like that, then countries will sometimes tactically go for silver instead of gold. gold should always be the medal that everyone goes for.
The countries don't really care where they finish; they want as many medals as possible. Winning a medal (any color) shows that the money that you've put towards training pays off. Many countries pay for their athletes to train, unlike the US. Winning a medal shows that the effort was successful.
The athletes all want gold. If they can't get that, many are fine with any medal. Very rarely does a country not try to win gold (there was a case of China in the speed skating team pursuit backing off their semifinal because they didn't think they would win [they wouldn't] and if they did try, they would lose the bronze; they won the bronze and celebrated like they won gold).
I'm sorry, but that reasoning is absurd. I was starting to write a comment explaining the absurdity, but it's not worth the trouble. Just think about how that might work, and you'll realize why it actually wouldn't.
Three points for gold, two for silver, one for bronze.
Finland had a more successful Olympics than Brazil or Kazakhstan did. Poland and New Zealand also were more successful than Brazil or Kazakhstan.
Everyone wants gold, but if silver and bronze don't matter, why are they given? In Tokyo, Bermuda, Morocco, and Puerto Rico won a gold medal each. That was their only medal of the Olympics. Namibia won a single silver Kazakhstan won eight bronzes, and apparently had a worse Olympics than the above countries.
They're given as recognition of the runners up. Same reason a plate is given to the losing finalist in a men's tennis grand slam. But two runner up plates don't equal a winner's trophy, and people would think it's absurd if anyone argued as much.
Brazil won a single event. Finland won no events, but had good runner up positions in a few. Stated differently, Brazil was the best in the world at something. Finland was best in the world at nothing, but came close in a few events. Extrapolate for all the other examples.
I can't believe our dumb, cheating, swearing curler won the gold yet both men's and women's hockey teams lost to the Americans. No one outside of Canada has any idea how much it hurts to lose the World Series and these two gold medals to the US all in one year.
You're right, I can’t truly relate, but I can imagine the pain. In these Olympics, Finns celebrated beating Sweden more than winning bronze - rivalry emotions are just built different.
It's really something when your World Series team has only one Canadian-born player on it. (And he represents the Dominican.)
But when you pioneer a sport and see all these other teams beating you in it, it really hurts. England in football, cricket, and rugby; the US in baseball; and now the Canadians in hockey.
Don't get me wrong, both Canadian hockey teams in 2026 were stacked. They just ran out of gas at the worst possible moment.
As an American, I feel for you. I also don't think your curler cheated. It was a technical rule violation, but I don't think there was either the intent or functional effect of any unfair advantage. It would be nice if there was a way to address it in the moment, assess an appropriate penalty, and move ahead without all the drama. We don't call people caught traveling in basketball or going offsides in hockey cheaters, they get called on the violation and get on with the game.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that Curling is generally a self-monitoring sport. To a degree, it's played on the honor system.
The rule is not vague or unknown: you can't touch the stone twice. The Canadian curler deliberately gave the stone an extra poke after letting it go, knowing full well he was breaking the rule. It wasn't inadvertent. It was a deliberate attempt to skirt the rules.
So IMO, it 100% is appropriate to say he was cheating. The fact that he responded like a total scumbag makes me even more comfortable with that label.
From what I've read, the rule actually is somewhat vague. There's nothing saying don't touch the granite before the hog line, or not to touch it twice. And curlers, who yes, self monitor, don't care about it.
Because the whole thing blew up World Curling, under pressure, clarified the rule to say that touching the granite when the stone is in forward motion is a foul.
But it seems that the wider curling community think this is nonsense and has led to perfectly fine stones being disqualified. No one who curls seems to think his gentle touch made any difference at all.
His reaction didn't help though, and probably helped cause the situation to blow up to the point that WC implanted the stricter rule.
As a curler, Don is correct. It is definitely a known rule that you don't touch the granite at all during the release or while sweeping. In weekly league do we care much if someone accidentally touches upon release or their pant leg brushes against a stone while sweeping, etc? Nope. You tell on yourself (see: honor system) and the skips decide where to place the stone or remove it from play.
However, this is the frickin' Olympics. You are arguably on the most well-known team in the world. You know the rules. Everyone is watching. You're a petulant brat when you're caught. And you do it again? Puh-lease. How embarrassing. That points to habit, not accident. Some penalties should have been enforced.
Yeah, it's a pretty common phenomenon. For various reasons athletes will compete for a secondary country that will give them the opportunity if they couldn't get it in their original country. Generally they have to have some affiliation with the second country.
It's crazy how the Netherlands ranks third with a total of 20 medals when you notice that they only won medals in just 2 sports: speed skating and short track speed skating.
Even Norway has its strengths and weaknesses. They are much stronger in cross-country skiing than alpine. They don't produce figure skaters. I don't think they medalled in any sledding events.
They know what they are good at and they don't worry about the other things. I don't ever see them becoming a downhill skiing powerhouse, mainly due to the lack of mountains in the country.
The Netherlands 3rd is insane overperformance. Then again, most medals were from ice skating, while 0 came from skiing, bobsledding and the like. We should look into that
They have frozen canals at most a few days a year, many years none at all. This is not why they are good at it (anymore). Its mostly just that they actualy have it as a somewhat popular sport.
They've long dominated the medal count. Cross-country skiing is not terribly popular in the US, but it's like Norway's whole personality. That and heavy metal.
This does create somewhat odd results such as Brazil (1 gold) ranking ahead of Finland (1 silver, 5 bronzes), but its how the IOC does it.
Early modern Olympics only awarded gold and silver. Some sports (e.g. U.S. Figure Skating apparently) give medals for fourth. Under 'gold first' the results stay essentially the same, just more detailed, no matter how many places we deem worthy of counting. Under 'total medals' they can vary wildly.
Appreciate that opinions on this subject vary wildly too though. Just my 2 coppers.
Anyway, congrats to Norway for storming the competition yet again, no matter how you count it. You guys must have an Olympic medal each at this point...!
If you want a 'total medals won' quiz you can make it. But this is the way the medal table is ordered by the IOC and most of the world, so there's nothing wrong with the quiz title.
I follow tennis mostly. Andy Murray won 3 grand slams and was the runner up 8 times. Does that mean he won 7 grand slams? No, it means he's got a shelf full of shiny plates.
Or England were the runners up in the last two Euros. Does that mean we have the same number of wins as Portugal? I'd love it... but no.
The athletes all want gold. If they can't get that, many are fine with any medal. Very rarely does a country not try to win gold (there was a case of China in the speed skating team pursuit backing off their semifinal because they didn't think they would win [they wouldn't] and if they did try, they would lose the bronze; they won the bronze and celebrated like they won gold).
Finland had a more successful Olympics than Brazil or Kazakhstan did. Poland and New Zealand also were more successful than Brazil or Kazakhstan.
Everyone wants gold, but if silver and bronze don't matter, why are they given? In Tokyo, Bermuda, Morocco, and Puerto Rico won a gold medal each. That was their only medal of the Olympics. Namibia won a single silver Kazakhstan won eight bronzes, and apparently had a worse Olympics than the above countries.
Brazil won a single event. Finland won no events, but had good runner up positions in a few. Stated differently, Brazil was the best in the world at something. Finland was best in the world at nothing, but came close in a few events. Extrapolate for all the other examples.
It will get better at some point @Dimby.
But when you pioneer a sport and see all these other teams beating you in it, it really hurts. England in football, cricket, and rugby; the US in baseball; and now the Canadians in hockey.
Don't get me wrong, both Canadian hockey teams in 2026 were stacked. They just ran out of gas at the worst possible moment.
Would have been win win
The rule is not vague or unknown: you can't touch the stone twice. The Canadian curler deliberately gave the stone an extra poke after letting it go, knowing full well he was breaking the rule. It wasn't inadvertent. It was a deliberate attempt to skirt the rules.
So IMO, it 100% is appropriate to say he was cheating. The fact that he responded like a total scumbag makes me even more comfortable with that label.
Because the whole thing blew up World Curling, under pressure, clarified the rule to say that touching the granite when the stone is in forward motion is a foul.
But it seems that the wider curling community think this is nonsense and has led to perfectly fine stones being disqualified. No one who curls seems to think his gentle touch made any difference at all.
His reaction didn't help though, and probably helped cause the situation to blow up to the point that WC implanted the stricter rule.
However, this is the frickin' Olympics. You are arguably on the most well-known team in the world. You know the rules. Everyone is watching. You're a petulant brat when you're caught. And you do it again? Puh-lease. How embarrassing. That points to habit, not accident. Some penalties should have been enforced.
Or Jamaica in track, Kenya in long distance running, Australia in swimming, Turkey in weight lifting, etc.
Of course, there's also Norway winning everything...