Draw All US, Canada and Mexico Subdivision Borders
Welcome sadists, to an expansion of an earlier torture device. Guess each border between two subdivisions, or between a subdivision and a body of water.
I do mean ALL borders
The bodies of water used is somewhat arbitrary, if at first you don't succeed, deny you ever tried
Interesting, I'm not solid on Mexican geography (part of the reason I made this quiz). The map I worked off of had San Luis Potosi bordering Coahuila, and thus the two of them separating Zacatecas and Nuevo Leon, but Google Maps disagrees. It's on my to do list now!
Wow, this is really something. I'm pleased that I managed to do as well as I did, but there's plenty of room for improvement. I'm not sure I have the mental fortitude to try again any time soon though. Anyway, this is quite the quiz, excellent effort!
Not quite as annoying as you might think. Basically using Excel, just perfect the type in for each individual state/province/body of water, then use concatenation to assemble them into one large regex for each answer which allows them to be entered in any order, and include that regex as part of the answer import.
I mean 212/307 on my first try isn't bad at all. I know Canada and States pretty well, but not Mexico. I guess I havet to practice Mexico's geography before trying this one again.
Huge thank you for making this! One of my favourite quizzes so far. I appreciate your work.
Teeeeeechnically it borders on Killiniq Island (against Kativik, QC) because the water changed the shape of the island and a TINY bit of Nunavut is now on the Ungava peninsula.
Also, no, sadly, no four-corners in Mexico; there's 1870 meters of Zacatecas separating Jalisco and San Luis Potosí.
Next comment will have the abbreviations for you in case you are curious.
If you're going to say the quiz really does ask *all* first-level subdivision borders, you really ought to include the US territories. Not including them is a reasonable decision, but warrants a note to that effect imo. I did spend a minute trying a few of them to no avail.
Also I'm not entirely sold on including Lake St Clair and not Lake of the Woods or Lake Champlain. The Great Lakes seem fair game, but I question whether St Clair is really the next most important lake.
Also also for some reason my brain refused to actually type all the four-corners borders, it just went "yes that's a 4-corners", moved on to the next thing, and never came back. grr.
The Newfoundland-Nunavut border is not in the correct alphabetical position in the answer grid. It should come between the New Brunswick borders and the New Hampshire borders.
That would be the case if it were "New Foundland". Spaces are sorted above letters, so all "New " names will come before "Newark." Put them in excel and try it yourself.
Excel is incorrect then. Nobody counts spaces separately when alphabetizing. I understand why a computer program would have to do so, but that doesn't magically make it correct.
It's not that it's incorrect, it's using a different sorting method than you assumed. Most dictionaries (including dictionary.com) use a word over word methodology, which puts "mail carrier" or "mail-order" above "mailbox." Some, including Webster's online, sort mailbox first. In my experience, sorting word by word (mailbox last) has seemed the standard for a long time, with letter by letter (mailbox first) has seen a recent surge.
I think that Nunavut borders Quebec. In Google Earth, if you zoom in really closely near where Nunavut and Newfoundland border, and follow the Quebec/Nunavut line you can see that it clearly passes through a touch of green on some random tiny islands and is therefore a land border and not temporary sea ice. Google Earth isn’t exactly the best source, and thus it may just be alignment issues or old images but I think it’s worth looking into.
I agree... unfortunately it has too many answers to be featured, but I'm nominating it anyway. Also spotlighting it and it will be on the front page on 22 December. Fantastic, fantastic work.
Yeah, the svg lines are #000000. I suppose I could swap it to another color that would be visible on both dark and light backgrounds. Different browsers use differing grayscales for dark mode, maybe a blue?
I will never be able to type fast enough to enter all these answers. Why doesn't this quiz accept multiple answers like the borders of the world quiz? On that one I can type "tlantic" then type all the countries that border the Atlantic, then go back to the beginning of the line and add an "A" ad it will give me all borders of the Atlantic that I typed in.
Honest answer: Because I didn't learn that little bit of regex magic from @Sifhraven until I was building the world quiz, after I had already finished this one. It's a simple trick to implement next time I update this quiz.
Please add the rest of the standard type-ins, I kept trying "nh" and "nj" but they didn't work. Also some of these seem to be dependent on order. "bajasurpacific" and "jaliscopacific" don't work. Plus you can barely see it in dark mode. Also add the Nunavut/Greenland border.
I love this quiz. I didn't know the Mexican provinces so am now trying to learn them.
Is it possible to have more time? Even if I knew all the answers straight off I would never be able to type fast enough to complete the quiz. I have to play it untimed
Wow, I wasn't quite sure how to start so gave up so I could see how the answers should be framed. Decided I might give this one a miss for the moment - think it's probably amazing but my knowledge only goes so far :-)
This looks like a lot of fun, but I'd recommend giving an example in the instructions. I tried several different things before quitting out of the game to see how the answers should be formatted.
Yeah, I thought I had already done that for this quiz. Now that it's featured, I probably won't make a change for about a year, but I'll include that in the next change.
I would have guess there's already a JetPunk default regex for Mexico City, which includes CDMX.
Also, since bajasur works for Baja California Sur, you can go with sanluis for San Luis Potosí. When talking informally, no one says the "Potosí" part; when writing it, "SLP" does the trick.
That's true, but the typein has to be both halves of the border (CDMX + Mexico, etc) in either order. It's not hard, I just have to do it for all the answers. It will be part of the next update.
Great quiz! Thank you! I even enjoyed reading the comments. I am having trouble getting the quiz to accept anything including Baja California Sur, though.
Well, ok. I guess the same holds for Nuevo Leon/Zacatecas? Those two need clarification, then. It would be a shame to have mistakes in such an impressive quiz.
Allright, from what I could gather, the maps showed by google are based, for a long time, on those of the public mexican office for geography and statistics (the INEGI). Here you can see their map : http://en.www.inegi.org.mx/temas/catastro/ ; it has the exact same borders for the two potential quadripoints, which officially don't exist! So yes, you should add a Zacatecas/Nuevo Leon border and remove the Jalisco/SLP one.
Sorting algorithms are implemented in different ways. 2 main ways are a lexicographical sort and a natural sort. A lexicographical goes character-by-character in the text, treating them all as first-class citizens and ranking in order (in this case, the ASCII character set). So let's compare the strings
"Baja California Sur-Pacific Ocean" and
"Baja California-Pacific Ocean"
Everything matches through the end of California, then the next character is evaluated. In ASCII, the space is encoded as character 32, where the dash/minus is character 45. Since 32 is smaller, the space is sorted above the dash.
In contrast a natural or word-by-word sort will strip out spaces and sometimes punctuation before sorting, essentially turning the above comparison into
However, this can result in some unexpected behavior. Let's imagine a new state was created on the peninsula called "Western Baja" that borders both states and the Pacific. A word-by-word sorting could result in the following order:
BajaCaliforniaBajaCaliforniaSur
BajaCaliforniaPacific
BajaCaliforniaSurPacific
BajaCaliforniaSurWesternBaja
BajaCaliforniaWesternBaja
In that scenario the last item appears out of place, it should be 3rd with the other Bajas, above the Baja Surs. It is a tough challenge for natural sorts to decide how to handle hyphens and other punctuation, as an assumption must be made about how they're being used. So while it may seem odd for Baja Sur to sort above Baja, including the spaces does ensure proper grouping on this quiz.
Both questions that have been asked and answered in the comments above. I've got a gentleman's agreement with the quizmaster to not churn large featured quizzes too often, I'll probably revisit this one sometime in Q4 of this year.
I was so confused when there was one left and i looked for about 5 minutes for the one last border. It ended up being that silly little nunavut-newfoundland border
I didn't drill down quite to that level on this iteration of the map. The line that includes the Foxe Basin for Nunavut, for example, also includes the Hudson Channel, so Foxe isn't a perfect analogue.
Curiosity, did you choose your name from the band, or the Roald Dahl novel?
Huge thank you for making this! One of my favourite quizzes so far. I appreciate your work.
Also, no, sadly, no four-corners in Mexico; there's 1870 meters of Zacatecas separating Jalisco and San Luis Potosí.
Next comment will have the abbreviations for you in case you are curious.
1. Manitoba/Nunavut/Saskatchewan/NWT form a four-corners scenario like the one between Colorado/Utah/NM/Arizona.
2. Include James Bay (the one sticking out the bottom of Hudson Bay).
Also I'm not entirely sold on including Lake St Clair and not Lake of the Woods or Lake Champlain. The Great Lakes seem fair game, but I question whether St Clair is really the next most important lake.
Also also for some reason my brain refused to actually type all the four-corners borders, it just went "yes that's a 4-corners", moved on to the next thing, and never came back. grr.
Also 90% of Mexico
This discrepancy is actually my main driving factor for never trusting the borders found on google maps.
Is it possible to have more time? Even if I knew all the answers straight off I would never be able to type fast enough to complete the quiz. I have to play it untimed
Also, since bajasur works for Baja California Sur, you can go with sanluis for San Luis Potosí. When talking informally, no one says the "Potosí" part; when writing it, "SLP" does the trick.
Just wondering why Lake of the Woods not included as you have St Clair?
But now it is necessary to remove the non-existing border between Jalisco and San Luis Potosi!
Is it possible to change the border "Quebec - Newfoundland" to "Newfoundland - Quebec" to be consistent with the alphabetic list? Thanks!
Sorting algorithms are implemented in different ways. 2 main ways are a lexicographical sort and a natural sort. A lexicographical goes character-by-character in the text, treating them all as first-class citizens and ranking in order (in this case, the ASCII character set). So let's compare the strings
"Baja California Sur-Pacific Ocean" and
"Baja California-Pacific Ocean"
Everything matches through the end of California, then the next character is evaluated. In ASCII, the space is encoded as character 32, where the dash/minus is character 45. Since 32 is smaller, the space is sorted above the dash.
In contrast a natural or word-by-word sort will strip out spaces and sometimes punctuation before sorting, essentially turning the above comparison into
"BajaCaliforniaSurPacificOcean" and
"BajaCaliforniaPacificOcean"
In which case Sur would come later
BajaCaliforniaBajaCaliforniaSur
BajaCaliforniaPacific
BajaCaliforniaSurPacific
BajaCaliforniaSurWesternBaja
BajaCaliforniaWesternBaja
In that scenario the last item appears out of place, it should be 3rd with the other Bajas, above the Baja Surs. It is a tough challenge for natural sorts to decide how to handle hyphens and other punctuation, as an assumption must be made about how they're being used. So while it may seem odd for Baja Sur to sort above Baja, including the spaces does ensure proper grouping on this quiz.
Additionally, why is Lake St. Clair used but not Lake of the Woods or even Lake Chamberlain?
kept wondering what state/territory starting with 'N' I was missing haha