Honestly, the Wikipedia article is a bit of a mess. I used the percentage figures, and then calculated the absolute numbers using the current country population.
The 2019 Brazil census indicated that 92 million (48%) Brazilians were white, 83 million (44%) were brown, 13 million (7%) were black, 1.1 million (0.50%) were yellow and 536,000 (0.25%) were indigenous.
Categorizations like these are tricky. The same people might be classified differently in different countries. That said, I expected Venezuela to be on here.
This doesn't make much sense to me - I thought everyone in the world was of African descent? I guess it must refer to only going back a certain number of generations but surely that number is totally arbitrary? Apologies if it is explained in the source you linked to, I didn't read it...
I'm afraid I am being serious, although probably with a touch of pedantry as well - I think I understand what is meant when people refer to people of African descent but at the same time I do feel like it is totally arbitrary that we say, for example, 'if 20 generations ago your ancestors were born and bred in Africa then you are of African descent but if you have to go back 50 generations then you aren't'.
Maybe my understanding of the term is incorrect.
Also, how do you make separate paragraphs when commenting? When I type comments, I can press enter twice to get a blank line but when I post it, it appears as a single block of text...
@angropber14 Yes, please! I can't wait to discover all the codes that some commenters use but I have no idea how. Using these one could change a block of text to something better-built.
This is one of those moments where technically you are right, but logically you know this quiz means something other than that. Are you that one person that when they taught you "Mount Everest is the tallest mountain in the world" and you said "Technically Mauna Kea is". Technically you are right... but everyone else doesn't care... Cause I am totally one of those people!
I understand that you're talking about tallest in terms of difference in elevation from base to summit but isn't it true that the summit of Everest is the point on the surface of the Earth farthest from the centre of the planet?
If it were the difference between 20 generations and 50 generations, then yes that would be a silly distinction. But it is not. It is the difference between < 20 generations and > 1000 generations.
Html code is quite easy enough to find, just google it. That is what I did when I saw others with paragraphs. only takes a few seconds to type it into to google, no need for a tutorial on jetpunk. Otherwise, they might as well give a spelling course, lessons on punctuation, an English course, and above all a course in common courtesy.
Since you are including people of mixed descent, it would be very surprising if the great majority of people in most countries did not have an ancestor from sub-Saharan Africa in less than 1000 generations. As a "white" British person who doesn't know of any ancestors who weren't British, I am prepared to accept that I may not have had an ancestor from sub-Saharan Africa in 20 generations. But if you could show me evidence that I didn't have any in 50 generations, I would be very surprised. The reason for this is that it only takes one of over 1 000 000 000 000 000 lines of ancestry to lead there, and some of my ancestors that far back are bound to be very rich people who could afford to travel.
But "black" people is even more a terrible ill-defined term than "people of African descent." Most ignoramuses who actually believe the term has some realistic or useful application would probably group in Moroccan Touaregs, people from Nigeria and South Africa and Ethiopia, "African Americans," and Australian aboriginees etc. in to the same all-encompassing group even though these people have about zero in common genetically, culturally, et cetera. Just dark skin. And then, even that incredibly stupid distinction falls apart when these same people will probably call Colin Powell or Michael Jackson "black," but not someone from southern India whose skin is many shades darker. (or they may call such a person "black," adding in another group of people who share nothing in common with the first many sets).
Compounding the problem, those same people most likely would not consider the "Arab" north African populations of Egypt, Libya, Algeria, etc. to be "black," though they are most certainly African.
I can't help but smile whenever I read these convoluted attempts to "identify" what people are Black, based on ethnicity, geography, DNA, preferred cuisine, etc. etc. I simply don't hear the same angst and hysteria when it comes to identifying who is White.
I don't see any angst at all, not more or less than trying to determine different types of trees or something. (yes it has the same serated leaves, but no it has different amount of leaves per twig) People argue all the time over how something fits in one botanical group or another and that doesnt have anything to do with angst.. let alone hysteria !
Just people liking to think in boxes, but cant agree what the box is or in which box something fits.
"Literally every country on Earth has a population 100% of African descent"
This probably isn't true. It's likely that both Neanderthals and Denisovans originated in Eurasia and there are substantial elements of Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA in modern humans, except for sub saharan Africans.
Hector: it absolutely is true. The genetic evidence is not at all ambiguous. There is nobody alive today that is 100% Neanderthal. Some people have 2% Neanderthal DNA at best. That means the other 98% of their DNA is homo sapien and homo sapiens first evolved in Africa. Additionally, the earliest hominid species, who were the ancestors of Neanderthals, Denisovans, and Homo Sapiens, also evolved first in Africa... so... Neanderthals are also of African descent if you look back far enough.
Actually there have been archaeological finds now that show the Middle East as the original source as opposed to Africa. The earliest civilizations on earth were found in the Pre-Islamic Middle East, not Africa. In fact Damascus is the worlds oldest city.
Oldest civilization began in Mesopotamia, not the Indus Valley. The Indus Valley civilization was thousands of years after Mesopotamia and came after China, as well. But humans first evolved in Africa, and all humans alive today outside of Africa have ancestors who migrated out of Africa.
@gzx5 that is not some new discovery/idea/concept/theory. As far as I can remember the consensus have been, civilisation started in the mesopotamia, and our ancestors came from africa.
(@kalbahamut, thousands of years is not correct, it definitely was not after 1 AD...) even one thousand years is more than I see described everywhere, usually about 500 years is given between them. it does depend what requirements you use for civilisation. A writing system, laws, agriculture advanced structures. )
^ depending on how you define it, civilisations could be said to have developed in the fertile crescent ~10,000 BC - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_civilization#Rise_of_civilization
Agriculture began in the Fertile Crescent some 12,000 years ago. It began in China some 9-10 thousand years ago. It began in the Indus River Valley some 7 or 8,000 years ago. Thousands of years is accurate.
You say in the instructions that it includes racially mixed individuals yet you leave out virtually all of the Caribbean countries, Panama in Central America, Guyana and Surinam in South America, but include Mexico and Colombia? Is this a joke or what?
the quiz is about ALL countries that have atleast 1 person of african descend in them. It is about who has the MOST people of african descend.
The entire population of suriname does not even reach 600.000 so there is no way it could make it on this list. and if you would take the percantage that is atleast partially from african descend (not just subsaharan) you would ony be at about 200k. The netherlands would be on there before suriname, it has more than 2,5x as many (and panama and guyana are also below that. The same goes for everything in the Caribbean, the total population is lower than the lowest number on this list, so no way they could be on it.)
Mexico and usa are huge, so they only need a tiny % to make the list. It is not a joke at all, it makes perfect sense..
@diva The Caribbean and Central American countries came to my mind as well. But seeing as this is just the top 10 and the population of the tenth country is 1.5mil, you will find that most of those countries don’t have populations that even reach 1 million, let alone the % that are of African descent.
It's shocking that the Caribbean countries have the percentage that high. It's more shocking that the reason for this is that their native people were slaughtered to extinction...
Actually, the indigenous peoples of South and Central America are classified as black. If you look at a Demographics pie chart of, for example, the US, you will always see that Hispanic (black) and Hispanic (white) are two separate categories, and are defined by how much they mixed with the Europeans.
This is a quiz about african descand, not "black people" which as is mentioned somewhere before, is a weird concept, some black people are less black if you take it literally and look at the skintone than others that arent considered black.
It's not shocking at all if you know anything about Caribbean history. After the indigenous populations were mostly wiped out, enslaved Africans were brought over to the Caribbean (and North, Central and South America) en masse.
Like someone already pointed out, most of us are of African descent, the descendants of Lucy. I guess what the quiz is calling for are the descendants of the unfortunate people who were victims of the slave trade. That is what spread the African people all over the Western Hemisphere. Then there is France of course who has had a fair share of immigrants from their former colonies.
A sizeable share of Blacks in France are not recent immigrants, but also descendants of slaves brought to colonies : Guadeloupe, Martinique, Guyane, Réunion, Saint Martin.
Mayotte is also part of this although a more complex case.
You have a source, but Brazil is a peculiar case. In here we have pardos, the brazilian race (caucasian/black, caucasian/indian, black/indian), and most of them identifies themselves as black. Last statistics
Also, we have a colonial hierarchy in which almost 80% of poor brazilians are black, so race is much of a social construct.
I know that this is a world problem, but in Brazil we see it with bigger eyes.
Venezuela has a greater percentage of Blacks than Colombia. The Netherlands should be included here (again, from former colonies), and there's a great influx of Africans into Germany as well, again from former colonies and immigrants from across the border [the Netherlands], as well as biracial products of inter-racial marriages (though the percentages are probably not yet high enough to make it on this quiz). Then again, perhaps Europeans aren't as quick to label someone who is biracial as Black as Americans are.
The pedants are really out in force here. As an anthropologist, I can say there's a huge difference between having African descent < 25 generations ago, and having African descent ~60,000 years ago. QM's right, and you all know what the quiz means. Stop trying to pick holes in it where there are none. End.
I wonder where a country like Jordan would fall in this list, I would expect there to be a lot of people of African decent just based on proximity, but it is a smallish country.
Hey thanks for stopping by, Mr. Duke. Though this isn't true. If it were, then this would simply be a mirror of the highest population countries of the world, since literally 100% of all human beings alive on Earth are African descended.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_diaspora
Honestly, the Wikipedia article is a bit of a mess. I used the percentage figures, and then calculated the absolute numbers using the current country population.
Maybe my understanding of the term is incorrect.
Also, how do you make separate paragraphs when commenting? When I type comments, I can press enter twice to get a blank line but when I post it, it appears as a single block of text...
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You can also make text bold or itallic if you put it < b>here< /b> or < i>here (again without the spaces).
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Surely it would bring joy and ease of mind to several people who can't get why their newlines don't appear after submitting their comments.
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Just people liking to think in boxes, but cant agree what the box is or in which box something fits.
This probably isn't true. It's likely that both Neanderthals and Denisovans originated in Eurasia and there are substantial elements of Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA in modern humans, except for sub saharan Africans.
They should just call this quiz "purebred homo sapiens diaspora quiz"Sure, the oldest civilizations did begin in the Indus Valley, but those people migrated there from Africa
(@kalbahamut, thousands of years is not correct, it definitely was not after 1 AD...) even one thousand years is more than I see described everywhere, usually about 500 years is given between them. it does depend what requirements you use for civilisation. A writing system, laws, agriculture advanced structures. )
The entire population of suriname does not even reach 600.000 so there is no way it could make it on this list. and if you would take the percantage that is atleast partially from african descend (not just subsaharan) you would ony be at about 200k. The netherlands would be on there before suriname, it has more than 2,5x as many (and panama and guyana are also below that. The same goes for everything in the Caribbean, the total population is lower than the lowest number on this list, so no way they could be on it.)
Mexico and usa are huge, so they only need a tiny % to make the list. It is not a joke at all, it makes perfect sense..
actually thats a bit arbitrary, we are all actually bacteria
Let's see if it works...
the text will drop down to the next line.
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use 2 < br>s.
you could also wrap each paragraph in < p> and < /p>
That's how I did this
Mayotte is also part of this although a more complex case.
Also, we have a colonial hierarchy in which almost 80% of poor brazilians are black, so race is much of a social construct.
I know that this is a world problem, but in Brazil we see it with bigger eyes.
(read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardo_Brazilians)
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