The most traditional usage of the term "enlightened despot" or "enlightened monarch" by historians refers mostly to a group of kings and queens who, in the 18th century, were influenced by the ideas of the European Enlightenment into instituting some legal and economic reforms and also tolerating minorities.
By the 18th century the Kingdom of Great Britain was already a constitutional monarchy. George III was sitting on the throne through much of this century, and could be considered an enlightened monarch, but typically is not included as he wasn't really a proper despot.
She had a network of spies to hunt down and punish anyone who opposed her rule, establishing a prototype police state. But she had a great p.r. department and provided England with decades of peace, in between the Wars of the Roses and the Civil War.
And yet there are no massive arguments on the comments of this quiz compared to others. Unless they were all deleted beforehand which could be a possibility.
I'm sure that Ashoka's victims do not use Jetpunk. Park and Tito's victims are probably too old, and I'm not entirely sure that they even have what we call "free internet" in Kazakhstan
Most of them are hardly benevolent, though, unless you consider slavery, cannibalism and various abuse of power as such. The current one is all jovial and wings quotes like a factory, sounds smart etc, but the history is pretty grim.
Lee Kuan Yew was a very good leader for Singapore, and boosted his little country to a regional power and world trade power. I'm glad to see him on this quizz !
As a turk id like to say this quiz is highly offensive. you cannot put Ataturk in a list of dictators. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was nowhere near a dictator and everyone in Turkey to this day loves and respects the true hero and the patriot he was for Turkey.
Ataturk was definitely a dictator, even if that's not what "history" books in your country say. It's always sad to see nationalists getting offended because they don't accept the truth. What are you gonna tell me next ? That the Armenian genocide never existed ?
The Armenian genocide had little to do with Mustafa Kemal. And no, current Turkish nationalists don't really like him. Kemalists are mostly liberals and left wing supporters. Some Turkish nationalists pretend to respect Ataturk only because disrespecting him could bring a backlash against them.
I never said that the Armenian genocide had anything to do with Ataturk. I simply used it as another example of something historically true (i.e. we have proofs that it actually happened) that is often denied by nationalist narratives which pretend that a particular country (in this case Turkey, but it could be any other country) never did anything wrong. Likewise, many people deny that Ataturk was a dictator although he clearly was, given that Turkey was a single-party state during his very long presidency. He may have been an enlightened one, he may have done good things, but the fact is that he was a dictator.
And Kemalists are nationalists. They may be secular, and liberal on certain subjects, but they're still nationalists. Nationalism can be left-wing. Ataturk was a nationalist. He got rid of Islamic laws and heritage, and made nationalism the new religion. That's actually something pretty common, which also happened in other countries, like France after the 1789 revolution. Nationalism is often used as a secular substitute for religion. Nationalists will often criticize the church, but in reality, their ideology relies on lies just as much as religion.
Says who ? Ataturk is respected by some in the West only because he westernized and secularized Turkey. I cannot call englightment forcing people to dress in western clothes, forcing Muslims to call by a Turkish name instead of the Arabic "Allah", forcing mosques to give the call to prayer in Turkish, preventing women to wear a headscarf in public buildings, closing religious schools or exiling and putting in prison those who opposed secularism (read about Said Nursi for instance).
I will not call Erdogan an angel, but I don't think he repressed more people that Ataturk did. Anyway, this quiz is by nature controversial. One may even call Hitler was englighted depending on their definition.
Do you even know what Enlightenment is? Secularization is one of its key issues. You also neglected to mention women's suffrage and co-education, which Atatürk introduced. Despite his flaws, Atatürk ultimately brought about progress, while Erdogan stands for regression. And that last sentence, wow. Brief summary of Enlightenment: 1) Think for yourself 2) Question authority 3) Extend personal liberties 4) Get rid of censorship 5) Treat people equally regardless of their ethnicity 6) rely on rationalism. Hitler argued and acted against each of these principles. The Nazis were the direct antagonists of enlightened ideas.
I doubt that any of the 18th century kings listed in this quiz separated the state from the Church. I don't relly think achieving secularization makes a ruler more entitled to be called enlightened, but it's the kind of issues where one is easily biaised.
I know what Enlightenment is but I didn't know enlightened dictator was necessarily linked to it. I thought it was generic like "acting according to noble principles". That's why I voluntarily used a weird example. My bad.
I didn't say Ataturk didn't do anything good but I wanted to point out the fact that he didn't truly advocate for freedom of speech and freedom of religion, which are fundamental rights. Enlightenment was never about forcing people to act according to your opinions because you think you know better than them. One may find many examples of Ataturk going against the 6 points you mentioned, especially 1-4.
Ataturk was a dictator it’s just that he didn’t necessarily do stereotypical dictatorial things. Dictators aren’t necessarily bad and enlightened ones like Ataturk often live in a sort of moral grey area among many.
Come on, Hitler said he wouldn't stop until Germany was saved and nearly killed himself early on out of frustration for how things were going. That's heart, sort of!
Since this quiz is already controversial, Muhammad could have been added. No one who held political authority is loved and respected as much as him. The first caliphs are also considered to be benevolent dicators by Muslims, along with a few later figures.
I can't disagree with that, although that raises a sort of philosophical question: If you are classified as a dictator by the modern sense but you lived in a period before the invention of modern parliamentary democracy, presidential term limits, and constitutional forms of government, are you really a dictator?
Also, it's important to note that the first and fourth Caliphs after Muhammad were directly elected by their peers, and all four of the "rightly-guided" (with the possible exception of Ali) were unanimously accepted by their subjects through the system of "bay'ah", a kind of proto-voting system.
The beginning of his rule was undoubtedly brutal with tens of thousands killed and hundreds of thousands imprisoned all around the country. Yet, after the split with Stalin in 1948, and especially from mid-1950s on, when he secured his position as an absolute ruler of Yugoslavia, he slowly shifted his ideology, both globally and locally, and Yugoslav politics became increasingly liberal.
Nursultan Nazarbayev has human rights abuses mentioned in the introduction to his wikipedia article. Under him Human Rights Watch ranked Kazakhstan as one of the world's twenty worst human rights abusers. I think it's a pretty epic stretch to call him benevolent. I'm curious as to who actually has done so? Just cos Kazakhstan's economy went well under his rule?
Another possibly interesting (albeit not very well known) one is Sheikh Hasina, the current Prime Minister of Bangladesh. She's done a lot for the country in terms of development and supporting marginalized groups like women and religious minorities, and on the global stage her government been very serious about combating climate change and addressing the Rohingya refugee crisis. She's also rigged elections, jailed opposition figures, and been involved in multiple scandals. Not saying she should be added to this list, just wanted to bring her up (not many other females on this list!).
He's not perfect, but considering some other names on here, Fidel Castro should added. He was committed to egalitarianism and avoiding the destructive aspects of capitalism. Who knows how much better Cuba would be doing if not for the embargo.
I'm also rather surprised that no one has brought up Napoleon Bonaparte, especially regarding Napoleonic Code, which may be the epitome of Enlightenment ideals. Ditto for Napoleon III, who was perhaps even more benevolent than his uncle without the bloodthirstiness.
Then, they would be ordinary Central American country like El Salvador or Honduras. But even if Panama or Dominican Republic, it's not much better than now. Under socialist rule they definitely have stability and better healthcare, but without soviet help Cuba seems very weak in terms of economy
I recommend adding Omar Torrijos for Panama. He renegotiated the canal treaty with Jimmy Carter and Panamanians think of him as an FDR or a Ronald Reagan
By the 18th century the Kingdom of Great Britain was already a constitutional monarchy. George III was sitting on the throne through much of this century, and could be considered an enlightened monarch, but typically is not included as he wasn't really a proper despot.
1. You must be enlightened.
2. You must be a despot.
I will not call Erdogan an angel, but I don't think he repressed more people that Ataturk did. Anyway, this quiz is by nature controversial. One may even call Hitler was englighted depending on their definition.
I know what Enlightenment is but I didn't know enlightened dictator was necessarily linked to it. I thought it was generic like "acting according to noble principles". That's why I voluntarily used a weird example. My bad.
I didn't say Ataturk didn't do anything good but I wanted to point out the fact that he didn't truly advocate for freedom of speech and freedom of religion, which are fundamental rights. Enlightenment was never about forcing people to act according to your opinions because you think you know better than them. One may find many examples of Ataturk going against the 6 points you mentioned, especially 1-4.
Also, it's important to note that the first and fourth Caliphs after Muhammad were directly elected by their peers, and all four of the "rightly-guided" (with the possible exception of Ali) were unanimously accepted by their subjects through the system of "bay'ah", a kind of proto-voting system.
I'm also rather surprised that no one has brought up Napoleon Bonaparte, especially regarding Napoleonic Code, which may be the epitome of Enlightenment ideals. Ditto for Napoleon III, who was perhaps even more benevolent than his uncle without the bloodthirstiness.
1 star.