it is not that Cain gave vegetarian food as an offering, it was that he did not give of the first fruits as an offering; originally, all humans were vegetarians.
This is the interpretation given for God's rejection of Cain's sacrifice given in the Midrash, but it's not stated as such in the text in Genesis 4. In fact, no reason is given at all as to why it's rejected:
"3. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.
"4. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
"5. But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell."
And of course, one would wonder why Abel is sacrificing sheep at all if all humans at this point were vegetarian.
Everyone ought to read the Bible at least once. It's hilarious. God murdered a man for jerking it. :D I like the part where God comes down from heaven, sees that Moses' son isn't circumcised, and in a rage is just about to murder Moses for this when Moses' wife runs out and lops off the kid's foreskin to appease the deity. Such profound wisdom.
Kal, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I would ask that you refrain from making fun of Christianity. We get it. You can't stand Christianity and quite possibly have an intense hatred for Christians. Either way, it isn't right to mock someone else's religion. I know society in general looks the other way when Christians are mocked for their beliefs, but it doesn't make it right. Let's keep it respectful please.
Once again, the person who comes along and says "we get it" doesn't get it. At all. I swear it's like they are doing it intentionally. Kind of like when someone says "believe me" before telling a whopper of a lie.
@postwate, Kal's comment, "Everyone ought to read the Bible at least once. It's hilarious." is an example of kalbahamut mocking Christianity, and therefore Christians. I don't care if he disagrees with what it says, but to make a reference to laughing at something that is a cornerstone to someone's religion is the same as mocking them. This is one of several posts from kalbahamut where he makes negative references to Christianity in a way that suggests Christianity is a joke. He is welcome to disagree all day long, but to say the Bible is "hilarious" crosses the line. If I said that the Koran was hilarious, I would be attacked from all directions in the comments. I don't agree with the Koran, but I certainly don't find it to be funny, nor would I ever disrespect someone for following their religion.
The Koran is horrifying. If you had the balls to say so I would respect you. But you don't, so I don't. Respect is earned, not demanded. Don't want to be mocked? Don't make yourself such an easy target. You revere a book about talking donkeys, men surviving inside fishes, floating zoos, children mauled to death by bears for making fun of a guy's bald spot, and a god who gets so mad about foreskin that he's liable to murder you for not cutting it off. When I was still a devout believing Christian I would not get mad at someone for pointing out the absurdities in the Bible and wouldn't call it mockery or "crossing a line" if someone laughed about them. Even when I was still a young Earth Creationist (and I was, for an embarrassingly long time) I was never that over sensitive. And I don't even believe that you are this obnoxiously reverent toward all belief systems. Do you dare not laugh at people who believe in a flat Earth? What about practitioners of Jediism? Scientologists? Really?
I could always take a joke and laugh at myself even when I still believed. This was, I believe, one of the most important skills I had that led to me actually learning some things and figuring out that I was wrong. I strongly encourage you to try it. Lighten up. Open your mind. Stop looking to be offended.
The more straw men kalbahamut comes up with, the more he shows his ignorance of Christianity and the bible. It's funny to me that when people try to mock things in the bible, they can only do so by intentionally misinterpreting it and making up straw men, thus making a mockery of themselves in the process. Very ironic and very fitting.
Ender: I am absolutely sure I know more about Christianity and the Bible than you do. Calling someone ignorant doesn't make them so. But all you can do is muddy the waters to try and convince others, and perhaps yourself, that people speaking uncomfortable truths don't know what they're talking about. This is also something I'm happy to say I was never guilty of, even as a believer. If someone said something that made me feel uncomfortable or defensive, I might argue with them, I might even imply they weren't very bright if I disagreed strongly with their basic assertions, but if they claimed something about the Bible I would not call them ignorant without knowing better. I would look it up. And if I had looked up any of the things that I've said above, I would have found out that the person I was disagreeing with was correct. At that point I would have had to come up with some way to continue justifying my belief, which I did for years, but I never just stuck my head in the sand.
Nothing is above criticism or humor. Those things that people claim are are precisely the things that need to be criticized and examined most vigorously, and the things that need the piss taken out of them most earnestly. Good ideas never hide behind appeals to false sanctity. Truth never fears a joke. Beware those whose best answer to valid criticism is chagrin and demands for respect.
pest: if you have nothing at all to add to the conversation, why say anything?
If it genuinely bothers you that the discussion is taking place, don't read it.
If you want us to believe that you would like to shorten the conversations, stop elongating them (or on other quizzes, initiating them and then pretending like you intended the opposite)
It's telling that you keep coming back over and over again to leave inane comments until someone gives you attention, stirring, stirring, waiting to get a bite, so that you can pretend like you were expecting the opposite reaction.
If you want to talk about Celtic music find a quiz on the subject and comment there. This is not a chat room. It's the comments section for a quiz on a specific subject. You would expect to find comments pertaining to that subject here.
I've actually, never seen anyone get under Kal's skin so much before. Not just on this quiz, but all of Jetpunk. This is actually hilarious. Like, I'm not saying you getting "angry" is funny Kal, just the whole conversation in general. Note: This comment is not an attack on you. I want to clarify that.
However, I would like to say one thing on a more serious none. Your telling "pest" not to talk about music, cuz that's not the topic of this quiz. But, does that mean then that this comment section is meant for religious wars and battles? Your right Kal, it is a comment section, to talk abou the quiz, but it's not here to argue back and forth, trying to convert people to christianity or atheism, or to talk trash on certain religious ideas or books, etc. And I'm not just talking to you Kal, I'm talking to everyone taking part on this thread... Well, I am kind of talking to you more than the others, though, since your the one that brought up the topic of the quiz and comments, and so on. My point is, don't tell someone to go talk about their topic somewhere else because its not meant for this quiz, when the things your arguing about aren't either. There are places for religious battles, but its not here. Okay? Have a good day sir!
If you don't want to argue, Fiddley, then don't. I made an innocuous comment above, directly related to the subject of the quiz. Someone else came along and felt the need to attack me for it. I responded back. It's not my fault people cannot accept any comment pertaining to their religion that isn't delivered with awed reverence, and you have no right to demand that from me or anyone else.
Lol, I never said I had a problem with the arguing itself Kal. I just find it funny that you're getting after pesto the sluggo for talking off-topic when you are in a sense doing the exact same thing, because no, your comment was not directly related to the quiz. Mind telling me which one is? I'm literally just trying to help you this time Kal...... Also, I do enjoy some Celtic music, Pesto, but not all. It kind of depends on my mood really. If I had to choose my favorite type of music, I might just have to go with epic, legendary, type music. Have you ever listened to the Starcraft II OST's? Not sure if epic/legendary describes it, but stuff like that is pretty awesome imo... Now, for the sake of Kal's brain, lets leave the music discussion behind please? Thanks sir!
Ah, Fiddles. One of the few people on Jetpunk I actually have some respect for. I do indeed respect your request, and I will stop talking about music... Except for 1 more thing: I have listened to the Starcraft II OST's. They are awesome, but I really don't know what describes them, lol. Okay, now I'm done.
Anyone claiming that Abrahamic religions are the basis of a good moral code most certainly is not deserving of respect, whichever flavour they prefer - the one that mutilates children, the one that glorifies human sacrifice or the one that believes that if a woman is raped it is her own fault.
Anyone who believes that the bible is the literal word of an omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent god despite its many self-contradictions, scientific inaccuracies and major moral failings is clearly deluded.
Any fully developed adult should be able to recognise that Abrahamic institutions are dangerous, morally corrupt and man made. To believe that they are benevolent and divine is deserving of, at the very least, admonishment and more appropriately ridicule.
I do think they should teach comparative religion in grade school, as long as they could ensure it was being taught by someone unbiased toward one religion or another. Might be hard finding that in some districts at the grade school level.
That's what a comparative religion course would do, though. "These people believe this, these other people believe that..." presented factually. This would be extremely valuable as many people don't even discover that there are other belief systems out there, or give this much thought, until college, if ever.
I had a few units in History and Geography that were like that. Very basic though, most people learn about religions through pop culture and their own research.
This just reminded me of when Ray Comfort threatened to ban anyone using the term "bibliophile" on his Facebook page as he thought it meant "cross between paedophile and Bible"!
I'm having a weird morning, and for some reason couldn't remember the name Esther for a bit. I kept trying Hadassah, which is also a name for the woman we know more commonly as Esther. So, for the sake of completeness, can you also accept Hadassa(h)?
Agreed, please accept Hadassah, as this was her Hebrew name. Esther was the name she was more commonly known by, but it was her Persian name, given to her by King Xerxes, I believe, and NOT the name she grew up with.
Interesting quiz. I went to catholic school for 13 years but only got 50% haha. I got most of the major ones but blanked on Peter's name somehow. And I couldn't remember Herod, I knew it was something like Heron...
That is a fallacy, and shows that it is not possible for Jesus and God to be one and the same. It's obvious that Jesus did not raise himself from the dead... any more than he was praying to himself on the Mount of Olives before his arrest by the Roman soldiers.
@Kalbahamut: have you ever read Carved In Stone? Its a book about geological evidence of the worldwide flood that happened in the Old Testament and proof that evolution is false. If you haven't read it, you should.
"3. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.
"4. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
"5. But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell."
And of course, one would wonder why Abel is sacrificing sheep at all if all humans at this point were vegetarian.
didn't offer his "first fruits" as it were. It had nothing to do with their avoidance of eating meat.
If it genuinely bothers you that the discussion is taking place, don't read it.
If you want us to believe that you would like to shorten the conversations, stop elongating them (or on other quizzes, initiating them and then pretending like you intended the opposite)
It's telling that you keep coming back over and over again to leave inane comments until someone gives you attention, stirring, stirring, waiting to get a bite, so that you can pretend like you were expecting the opposite reaction.
If you want to talk about Celtic music find a quiz on the subject and comment there. This is not a chat room. It's the comments section for a quiz on a specific subject. You would expect to find comments pertaining to that subject here.
Anyone who believes that the bible is the literal word of an omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent god despite its many self-contradictions, scientific inaccuracies and major moral failings is clearly deluded.
Any fully developed adult should be able to recognise that Abrahamic institutions are dangerous, morally corrupt and man made. To believe that they are benevolent and divine is deserving of, at the very least, admonishment and more appropriately ridicule.
Do you have any questions or a point to make?
Maybe as one module of a philosophy class or similar if it was covering the historicity of religion (rather than as moral guidance)
Ray Comfort bibliophile
Really?
Proof?
Mmmm.