A lot of us like to act like another world war wouldn't happen again but I'm pretty sure there will be another one before 2070 and if that takes place, these numbers will be off by a longshot.
No doubt but I think ww3 will be fought by different powers then what we think because China by 2070 will probably be dealing with it's own internal issues due to having communism so long. Russia by 2070 will probably still be the country that thinks of itself as a grizzly bear still but is actually just an old tired lion. Western Europe is going to end up losing a lot of power weather we believe it or not due to them not even being able to replace their population outside of migration and the fact that they have a lot of debt due to their socialist systems. The only nation I see being definite would be the US as long as we don't all kill each other with all this bickering. Also i'm not saying that all these countries wouldn't participate I just don't think they would play as big a role as we think due to their own issues that they will face sooner or later. Where ww3 will start or when? Idk, hell it could start any day and where I think it would start in the current day is Ukraine.
As of the situation now, including Kim Jung Un's illness but also the economic troubles that will probably come because of Covid-19 lockdown. I think there will be a WW3 somewhere in the coming 5 to 10 years. If Kim dies this year it can already happen within in 5 years and this WW will start on the Korean peninsula. It could also be triggered by China if China decides to attack Taiwan in wich response America will defend Taiwan since the US has guarenteed Taiwan independence like the UK did with Poland in 1939.
Some good arguments there. About the migrant issue though, Germany already had over 80 million people before Merkel let in over 1 million migrants in a single year several years ago; they were already overpopulated prior to that. Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, and a few others are drowning in debt but several others in Europe in addition to Germany are not.
How exactly does socialism lead to debt? Have you seen the size of the debt owed by the extreme capitalists in the USA?
Also, this comment demonstrates how Russians were being primed for war many years ago, the propaganda was doing its job even in 2018 to soften resistance to the inevitable clash which Vlad was planning all along.
That's what I was thinking, not sure WW3 would be anything besides a nuclear holocaust, and there are only a handful of countries with nukes right now, most of them major powers
nah the real reason is they're not as developed, when education and urbanization and move away from farming happens, people have less kids (especially cuz more will live to reproductive age)
Current population growth projections, if you remove immigration from the equation, have the United States' total population peaking in 2040 at around 342 million and then slowly declining after that.
It might sound cynical but..a population growth should only occur if the territory can substain it.. 103 million people more in Niger? They are already starving...
It'll happen weather you can sustain it or not. The only way I see you controlling your population so you don't end up destroying your own countries is China's one child policy.
Also... it seems like the most effective way to lower birth rates that the world has seen is to raise standards of living... through education, medicine, general prosperity, et cetera. Historically, extremely high death and infant mortality rates kept population levels relatively low/constant. With the industrial and agricultural revolutions and modern medicine, death and infant mortality rates plummeted, but birth rates were still high, so population figures began to skyrocket. But almost everywhere that this has happened... eventually the birth rate starts to fall, as well, and after several generations is often below replacement levels. It takes a while for the culture to change, though, when coming out of a place where you had to have a ton of kids to work the farm or for any of them to survive to adulthood.
Which led ultimately to the demographic crisis they are facing right now. It may have been effective, or even necessary, but an ageing population, falling at the same time is a disaster. Short-sightedness from our Chinese friends…
"A pOpuLaTiOn GrOwTh ShOuLd OnLy OcCur In A SuStainable territory!!!"
This same type of population growth has happened in Europe already. This happens when death rates fall. So if you in your infinite wisdom think Niger is "unfit", you have two options. Decrease the birth rate through education, which is already happening, or increase the death rate and decrease modern medicine. Which one should we do, your liege? After all, they are starving, even though the Green Revolution can be implemented there, and theres a reason massive famines happened BEFORE this demographic transition than after.
With the exception of the US, countries that can ill afford to have population booms considering the scarcity of food; unstable governments; epidemic poverty and diseases...makes Trump's insult of a few days ago sound downright prescient.
Over the next 50 years, the World's population growth, on average, is due to come almost entirely from everyone getting older. As a species, our fertility rate is now basically at the replacement level. India, despite being the top of this quiz, already is having fewer babies born each year. However much of Asia and West have below replacement level fertility rates, which means that Africa is still way above. What's most shocking about Africa is that even in 2070, most of these countries will still have a population pyramid that still looks like a pyramid (the number of babies born increasing every year), and not barrel shaped like the rest of the world
Whilst these numbers are pretty shocking, even Uganda - which will narrowly beat out Nigeria on population density in 2070 - will have 633/sq km compared to Bangladesh which today has 1,141/sq km (and will in 2070 have 1,384/sq km according to the UN). Only Nigeria and Uganda will have a population density greater than South Korea has today and none will reach Taiwan's current density. Of course these are exceedingly poor countries currently, but that was also the case for much of East Asia in the mid-20th century. Bangladesh is currently very poor (its PPP per capita is a third lower than Nigeria's). Not that things are exactly peachy in Bangladesh, but my point is these figures do not indicate Africa going into uncharted territory. Certainly this level of population density is not prohibitive in and of itself to prosperity - Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and the Netherlands are all in the same range.
Also, the Ivory Coast having 72,000,000 was pretty shocking to me, but looking into past population statistics, it pretty closely mirrors Thailand's growth from the late 1950s to today. Thailand is slightly larger than the Ivory Coast, but they're in the same ballpark, size-wise.
First of all, where are you getting that Bangladesh has a PPP per capita a third lower than Nigeria? Wikipedia shows that Bangladesh and Nigeria are about the same (and in fact in PPP, Bangladesh is slightly ahead).
Second of all, while Bangladesh is indeed very poor today, it also has historically always had a very large population. And that's not surprising: Bangladesh has the largest % of arable land in the world. My point is that Bangladesh is able to produce enough food to feed a LOT of people, which is one of the reasons why, despite its poverty, it is not currently a giant humanitarian crisis. On the other hand, look at the DRC or Niger: they may be way bigger than Bangladesh, but have waaaay less capacity to produce food. 100 million people in Niger scares me a lot more than 200 million in Bangladesh.
I don't think I've ever seen Pakistan as a quiz answer where Bangladesh wasn't an answer to that same quiz. Why is Bangladesh slowing down reproduction all of a sudden? Normally they mirror Pakistan, only a bit smaller.
^Since independence, Bangladesh has run pretty successful family planning programs, with the result of the fertility rate dramatically decreasing to the point where it's hit the replacement rate.
To quote the late great Christopher Hitchens: "The only cure to poverty is the empowerment of women". Quality of life in these countries would go through the roof if they stopped reducing women to beasts of burden and made birth control readily available.
They don't necessarily have the resources to have contraception. And, it's not like that is a top priority. This population boom isn't weird, it is just large.
Most of these countries are not Muslim majority. Also, while Egypt's population today is 5x what it was in 1950, they are arguably less powerful and influential than they were in 1950.
I'm surprised that Bangladesh isn't here but Pakistan and India are. I want to say that this is due to overpopulation/emigration but as some people have already pointed out countries like Niger will also be incredibly overpopulated.
Many people seem to be forgetting that this population growth may not actually happen. It is something that is predicted based on current levels of growth, but anything could change these growth levels at any time.
Right, because the monumental task of increasing standards of living for exponentially increasing numbers of people is a big joke. Remember also we live on a planet full of mostly finite resources and as of now are doing very little on the whole to mitigate any climate change effects or reduce emissions/resource extraction/consumption
With the countries of Africa being as irresponsible as they are, this can only mean more problems for Europe and the death of western civilisation. WWIII will be the end of the white man by their own admission - not a single shot will be fired by anyone. Well, it's that or a Chinese-instigated cyber-war within the next decade. Hype.
Most of this can be tied to one thing...the rights and education of women. If any of these countries want to rise out of poverty and stabilize their populations, you have to stop treating women like chattel. The only proven method to work.
@Daewedh, you're spot on. I know I always keep coming back to the example of Bangladesh (my family is from there so I feel a strong personal connection to the country), but it's a perfect example of what you're talking about. Despite the fact that it's poor, it's doing quite well for itself, and much of its progress stems directly from giving women access to education, jobs, and leadership positions. I highly recommend this NYT article to anyone who's interested.
A bit surprised not to see Brazil on this list. They start with a sizable population base, and they don't have the reputation of being notably reproductively abstemious.
Brazil obviously has a rather large population base indeed (being the second-most populated country in the Americas and such), but you're completely wrong about the fertility rates.
With a total fertility rate of 1.73 (way below replacement) in 2021 and slightly negative migration rate, it's no surprise really that the population isn't growing that much any more.
While those who dismiss outright any concerns people have about overpopulation I think are misguided, it's also worth pointing out that these projections are almost certainly wrong, too. They are based on assumptions about future rates of population growth which have historically been hard to predict. As populations and standards of living both increase in Africa it's likely that their high birth rates will fall, as well. Some future demography models try to take this into account but many do not, and those that do might very well be underestimating the rate and degree of change.
But it's hard to say. Nobody can actually see the future.
Why would anyone think domestic Europeans reproducing would be bad?
They're less than 10% of the global population, and have shown a successful ability to provide and govern for themselves (not to mention advancing the human civilization more than most other continents, and maintaining peaceful + successful societies). If they were having 5 children/woman, then demanding food to feed them, complaining that their standards of living were too low, and invading more-developed countries to leach off their domestic resources ... people would say they were growing too fast
How many of the countries on this list have advanced to an agrarian society? How many expect the solution to their domestic problems to come from outside themselves? Look at the fragile states index, food welfare, and emigration rates. You can't support pressuring the most advanced cultures on the planet like this, it's an unsustainable series of events.
This is just racist, eugenicist and ethnocentric (you claim other cultures are unable to govern, and European populations are better to grow). My point was Europe was in the same demographic state of Africa today and these same alarms were raised but none of the catastrophe scenarios occurred in Europe, and therefore these alarmists today are wrong. Also every single country in the world and on this list is an agrarian society at least
The world has already experienced unbelievable amounts of environmental destruction since Malthus was around, and with more and more people, the rate is only increasing. We might be able to support many more people if we keep turning every last scrap of wild land into farmland (let's be honest, most countries don't even have ANY real wilderness left anymore), but do we really NEED more people?
So much wrong with this comment I don’t know where to start. Can I suggest some further reading? Try the book Guns Germs and Steel by a chap called Jared Diamond.
Also, this comment demonstrates how Russians were being primed for war many years ago, the propaganda was doing its job even in 2018 to soften resistance to the inevitable clash which Vlad was planning all along.
nah the real reason is they're not as developed, when education and urbanization and move away from farming happens, people have less kids (especially cuz more will live to reproductive age)
Also... it seems like the most effective way to lower birth rates that the world has seen is to raise standards of living... through education, medicine, general prosperity, et cetera. Historically, extremely high death and infant mortality rates kept population levels relatively low/constant. With the industrial and agricultural revolutions and modern medicine, death and infant mortality rates plummeted, but birth rates were still high, so population figures began to skyrocket. But almost everywhere that this has happened... eventually the birth rate starts to fall, as well, and after several generations is often below replacement levels. It takes a while for the culture to change, though, when coming out of a place where you had to have a ton of kids to work the farm or for any of them to survive to adulthood.
This same type of population growth has happened in Europe already. This happens when death rates fall. So if you in your infinite wisdom think Niger is "unfit", you have two options. Decrease the birth rate through education, which is already happening, or increase the death rate and decrease modern medicine. Which one should we do, your liege? After all, they are starving, even though the Green Revolution can be implemented there, and theres a reason massive famines happened BEFORE this demographic transition than after.
Second of all, while Bangladesh is indeed very poor today, it also has historically always had a very large population. And that's not surprising: Bangladesh has the largest % of arable land in the world. My point is that Bangladesh is able to produce enough food to feed a LOT of people, which is one of the reasons why, despite its poverty, it is not currently a giant humanitarian crisis. On the other hand, look at the DRC or Niger: they may be way bigger than Bangladesh, but have waaaay less capacity to produce food. 100 million people in Niger scares me a lot more than 200 million in Bangladesh.
Also, considering the economic booms waiting, I think the real numbers are way lower.
Overpopulation is a big joke anyways. Just increase the living conditions for these people, and they will get less children automatically.
Brazil obviously has a rather large population base indeed (being the second-most populated country in the Americas and such), but you're completely wrong about the fertility rates.
With a total fertility rate of 1.73 (way below replacement) in 2021 and slightly negative migration rate, it's no surprise really that the population isn't growing that much any more.
But it's hard to say. Nobody can actually see the future.
They're less than 10% of the global population, and have shown a successful ability to provide and govern for themselves (not to mention advancing the human civilization more than most other continents, and maintaining peaceful + successful societies). If they were having 5 children/woman, then demanding food to feed them, complaining that their standards of living were too low, and invading more-developed countries to leach off their domestic resources ... people would say they were growing too fast
How many of the countries on this list have advanced to an agrarian society? How many expect the solution to their domestic problems to come from outside themselves? Look at the fragile states index, food welfare, and emigration rates. You can't support pressuring the most advanced cultures on the planet like this, it's an unsustainable series of events.
So much wrong with this comment I don’t know where to start. Can I suggest some further reading? Try the book Guns Germs and Steel by a chap called Jared Diamond.
I guarantee that you will be enlightened
I expect this next wave of demographic transition to be even faster than last time, so even smaller population than what's seen
All european countries have gone thru this process btw and tfr wont stay high forever (education + urbanizåtion is key!)