The modern day country of North Macedonia corresponds to the territory of ancient Paeonia which was landlocked and never settled by Greeks. The region of Macedonia which you are probably wondering about and corresponds to the ancient kingdom is located almost entirely within modern day Greece and is included as such.
Why would he be thinking of the ancient region of Macedonia? This quiz is about modern countries not ancient regions that's very clear.
The ancient kingdom of Macedonia John is thinking of, contrary to the nationalist propaganda he just shared with us above, actually did include Thrace (Greek Macedonia), Bulgaria, and the present-day country of Macedonia (North Macedonia). But see the caveats of the quiz: before the time of Alexander the Great. At this time the places that Greek-speaking peoples colonized were areas that they could get to by sea. The contemporary country of Macedonia you are probably thinking of is inland, landlocked, and tucked away behind some mountains. Notice that every single one of these countries on the quiz border the Black Sea or the Mediterranean.
The ancient kingdon of Macedonia was in fact confined to modern-day Greece, with dependent territories outside Greece's borders first appearing during the reign of Philip II. How and why you label the truth as "nationalist propaganda" is beyond me. The fact that you just called Greek Macedonia "Thrace" only adds to the mystery.
Because what you are saying is not so, even by your own admission you acknowledge that territories were added during the reign of Philip II. You are trying to score political points over some completely asinine argument. The Louisiana Purchase expanded the borders of the United States during the presidency of Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson was not the first American president, but that doesn't mean that every state west of the Mississippi is not really part of the USA. And 2000 years from now if there is some independent country centered around Philadelphia and then some other country in California that calls itself the Republic of America, and the people who reside in the first country try to insist that those in the second don't live in America because of this, the people in the first country will be total knobs.
Thrace and Macedonia were distinct regions in ancient times but borders shifted frequently or overlapped. I wasn't trying to say they were synonymous.
If you want to rule out anything that happened from Philip II onward as not truly Macedonian then why are you so obsessed with his son Alexander? Was Alexander not Macedonian, either? I mean aren't you guys constantly whinging about who has the right to build statues of the guy? Then why would it be relevant to your argument that the kingdom two generations before he was born only controlled some parts of Macedonia (when after he was born it controlled all of it)? Is that really your best argument? Please note I'm not siding with anyone I just think it's incredibly dumb we're even having this conversation. (again)
I never ruled out Philip's or Alexander's reign! I was just trying to point out that your complete dismissal of what BlackJohn said as "nationalist propaganda" is uncalled for, since the statement is largely true, at least up to a certain point in time. Besides a distinction can be made between the "core" of the Kingdom of Macedonia and dependent territories, as you can see in this map. Of course, Philip and Alexander greatly expanded the kingdom, conquering not just modern-day North Macedonia and Bulgaria but also Turkey, Syria, Iran etc. I didn't really want this discussion to start all over again, so my apologies for that. But in that context, picking out the former two countries, bashing a largely true statement as propaganda and even calling Greek Macedonia something quite different do sound more politically charged than anything I said.
Just seems to me like if you're going to obsess about Alexander II (Greeks frequently point out he was born in Pella which is currently within the borders of Greece as if this is a slam-dunk victory) then why wouldn't you at least count the lands that were part of Macedonia before he even became king as the "core" of Macedonia? Who decided what the core was? Did they have a political agenda? Did that agenda support some nationalist narrative?
It's quite simple: that's where the Macedonians actually lived, as we know from historical sources and archaeological findings. Much like Metropolitan France was quite different from Algeria, even though the latter was one of the first and nearest French colonies. No political agenda or whatnot involved. The more so since there's real proof that ancient Macedonia was Greek, not just geographical correlations.
The territory marked on the original map extends for many kilometers northeast of Antipolis (Antibes) and thus clearly also includes the territory of modern-day Monaco.
Based on P. Christiaan Klieger's "The Microstates of Europe: Designer Nations in a Post-modern World", Monaco was settled in the 6th century BC by Greeks from Marseilles (Massalia on your map). At the time it was known as Monikos. Monaco should probably be included then.
Possibly not the Vatican, as I don't think Rome was ever under Greek control. Unless of course those who think the Romans descended from the Trojans are correct, but that seems unlikely. They traded with and were heavily influenced by the Greeks, but were not Greek themselves.
I don't see a key but I'm assuming that the dark blue areas on the map are "Greek," and if that's the case then the land currently part of the country of Macedonia would be in the hands of Thracians and Illyrians, not Greeks.
Thought it was odd that Croatia was on the list, but not Slovenia, not Bosnia, not Serbia - but Albania. I decided not to look at the map until after, and now it makes more sense.
Now I wonder this. Norway is least guessed on countries that have been part of Norway. Egypt is least guessed on the countries within three countries of Egypt quiz. What makes Greece higher guessed than those cases here? At least I got it. (I made sure to do it first to make sure I don’t get confused and try like, the whole world).
This one went against any of my logical reasoning lol, but I've managed to name them all. For example no North Macedonia but Russia and Spain were in. No Israel, Lebanon or Jordan but Turkey, Cyprus and Egypt were in. Once I looked at the map it made sense.
Could there not be made an argument to include Bosnia? I looked long and hard on the map on which this is based and thought it might include the most southern part of Bosnia.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/oct/23/oldest-intact-shipwreck-thought-to-be-ancient-greek-discovered-at-bottom-of-black-sea
The ancient kingdom of Macedonia John is thinking of, contrary to the nationalist propaganda he just shared with us above, actually did include Thrace (Greek Macedonia), Bulgaria, and the present-day country of Macedonia (North Macedonia). But see the caveats of the quiz: before the time of Alexander the Great. At this time the places that Greek-speaking peoples colonized were areas that they could get to by sea. The contemporary country of Macedonia you are probably thinking of is inland, landlocked, and tucked away behind some mountains. Notice that every single one of these countries on the quiz border the Black Sea or the Mediterranean.
Thrace and Macedonia were distinct regions in ancient times but borders shifted frequently or overlapped. I wasn't trying to say they were synonymous.
decentralized administration of macedonia and thrace
another helpful map
According to the source (the map that is linked), the entirety of the modern day country is located on Greek settlement lands.