I was a little surprised too. The North Eastern states of India have a large Christian population, majority in Manipur and Nagaland. I guess it just goes to show how big the other parts of the country are!
I wouldn't have guessed China if I hadn't seen those numbers - that could only have been China or India. I would guess the reason India isn't on here is because it's almost entirely Hindu with a fair number of Muslim regions as well (I don't know if Buddhism, Sikhism, or Jainism are still common in India but they used to be).
Never knew that about "enormity". I think we can let Freestatebear off this time since the debate is up in the air a bit but your nitpicking has enlightened me. (For anyone else wanting to be enlightened, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enormity#usage-1).
It's not a misuse of the word. Enormity can simply mean "the great or extreme scale", which the population of China certainly is. It doesn't necessarily mean anything wicked.
joeythelemur. Dude! You can’t just cherrypick a dependent clause out of a sentence and decide that’s the entire definition! Reread: “the great or extreme scale, seriousness, or extent of something perceived as bad or morally wrong.” In case you seriously weren’t trying to pull the wool over our eyes and instead just got tired of reading the whole definition so called it a day after the first five words, here is what and only what the definition of enormity you partially quoted is saying it means:
the great or extreme scale of something perceived as bad or morally wrong; or
the seriousness of something perceived as bad or morally wrong; or
the extent of something perceived as bad or morally wrong.
In the future, if you’re going to argue something we can all easily look up, you might want to read your supporting sources past the first five words.
Enormity as a synonym for enormousness is sometimes considered an error, though other usage guides hold that there is little basis for the distinction. Both words ultimately go back to the same Latin source word ēnōrmis meaning “deviating from the norm, abnormal”.
So the meaning of "enormity" is closer to original than "enormous".
I think this is one of those curios of language. The dictionary definition of "enormity" means "the extreme scale of something bad." The word definitely, when used correctly, has a very negative connotation. But because it sounds like it should be the nominalization of "enormous," people use it that way, and when a critical mass of people use the same word in the same wrong way, then it becomes an accepted use. This has also happened with "hopefully" (which modifies a verb -- "Hopefully it will snow" technically describes snow falling in hopeful manner) and "momentarily" (which also modifies a verb -- "I'll be with you momentarily" technically means "I'll be with you *for* a moment," not *in* a moment. "Nonplussed" is the next domino to fall. It means "surprised and confused about how to react," but many people think it means "unimpressed," so...it also kind of means that now. Everyone is wrong until so many of them are wrong that they become right.
For anyone wanting to know more about The Great Enormity Debate, check out Dreyer's English (by the chief copyeditor of Random House). Generally speaking, nitpicking somebody based on a dictionary's overly specific (and often behind-the-times) definition is a pointless act. Enormity used to just mean greatness in a bad sense, perhaps, but it's long been used differently. And usage essentially determines definition.
Only on JetPunk will you find chains of people with paragraph-long comments on the nitty-gritty semantics of "enormity" on a quiz that has absolutely nothing to do with the word.
Never knew there was a normative component to the definition of enormity; I think jmellor sums this up best, though I'm much more intrigued by formal evolution of language (e.g., the formal misuse of 'enormity' as non-normative to the point of it becoming an accepted alternate use) than informal evolution (e.g., 'literally' now being widely, informally used to mean strongly/strong feelings with no regard to literal versus figurative manner).
Of course usage determines definition, but when you use a word with more than one commonly-used definition, it's the responsibility of the speaker to disambiguate. That's what makes a usage wrong, even with a descriptivist approach.
If I say "I literally cut my own head off," and I still have a head, I don't need to otherwise make it clear that I did not literally cut my own head off, but that I'm using literally as a synonym for its traditional antonym. Likewise, if I praise a painting for its masterful brush strokes, I'm clearly not indicating that the brush strokes were applied in a domineering manner, because that wouldn't make sense--how could I?
But when describing the population of China as an enormity, I could only be saying that it's enormous, or I could be saying that it is out of control--an evil. I'd grade it wrong on a test, because if the point of language is to communicate, the speaker has failed to do so, due to an error of usage.
Many estimates believe China to be at far higher rates, with some even going as high as 100 million. Also, many famous Chinese figures, like Yao Ming, Sun Yat-Sun, Emperors Hongwu and Kangxi, Jay Chou, and later-year Chiang Kai-Shek were/are known to be devout Christians. The Christian mentality and ethic fits very well with Chinese culture.
India, indonesia, peru, canada and venezuela miss out being in the 20 millions. Ukraine has unstable data from what I can see. Bummed cause i guseed all of them ://
I don't understand, 90% of Russian population is indicated as Christians, in fact Orthodox Christians, and how come Ukraine, which is mostly Orthodox Christians, is not included in the list? Was there an official census about belonging to a specific religion in Russia, or any other so-called Christian nations?
It's still hard to believe this comment is nearly six years old now. Anyway, I took a quick glance at Wikipedia, and Ukraine seems to be the nearest miss. It's 110k people behind Argentina. Sadly considering the current conditions, I don't imagine it will be overtaking anyone any time soon.
btw the numbers here do not match up with the quiz "5 countries with most christians by continent." For one example, Poland is included on that quiz while the UK is not, but here the UK is shown as having more Christians than Poland. There are others.
It's kinda surprising to read, that 63% of german People are supposed to be christians... I met exactly two People in my life considering themselves Christian... I feel like almost nobody here really believes in god. Germans are just saying they are christians because of traditional reasons ore something.
That doesn't say anything. The party was made 75 years ago. Back then, almost everyone in Germany was christian and the party just hasn't changed the name.
Your point is valid, this quiz says UK at 59% but in the latest British Social Attitudes survey, only 38% of their sample of 3,900 people self-identified as Christian and 52% identified as not believing in any religion. How are the two numbers so different? I tend to believe people when you ask them what they are.
It's possible that in some surveys or even in the census many people self report as Christian despite only being culturally Christian/having a Christian upbringing, and no longer attending church or believing.
Quizmaster always cites (and usually conveniently links) his sources, making it easy for us to look up data collecting and/or measurement methodologies, thus definitely answering questions like this and avoiding the need for speculation – and the arguments that sometimes go along with it! In this case, the number of people were counted as Christians:
is based on the number of the population in each country who are members of a Christian denomination or who identify themselves as Christian, plus their children. It says nothing about the number of who actually believe in God and are regularly in the church.
I feel like "plus their children" is a bit of a stretch these days, I know a hell of a lot of people who don't follow the religion of their parents - whether that's becoming religious, becoming irreligious or changing religion.
I have lived here for 4 years and haven't met any Christians, but a lot of people that are a member of the church (I think it happens automatically unless you actively de-register); I guess a lot of people are too lazy to do that. Alternatively, they're just not crazy Christians that always talk about Jesus or try to proselytise. I've also never read a post from Germany about 'praying' for anything either.
First it was the England & Wales Census (although I'm sure a similar picture will be seen in the other parts of the UK). Secondly, while Christianity is now under 50%, it still makes up the largest single belief system at 46% followed by no-religion at just under 40%.
I'm from Poland and I'm surprised to find out we are estimated to have 41 million population right now. I guess it must include Ukrainian refugees, because not so long ago we were 38 million and declining.
When I was a kid I assumed missionaries were dumb. I'm still not religious, but now am pretty thankful someone is willing to live in third world countries and spread the word of whatever. Better than Islam or Isis.
the great or extreme scale of something perceived as bad or morally wrong; or
the seriousness of something perceived as bad or morally wrong; or
the extent of something perceived as bad or morally wrong.
In the future, if you’re going to argue something we can all easily look up, you might want to read your supporting sources past the first five words.
Enormity as a synonym for enormousness is sometimes considered an error, though other usage guides hold that there is little basis for the distinction. Both words ultimately go back to the same Latin source word ēnōrmis meaning “deviating from the norm, abnormal”.
So the meaning of "enormity" is closer to original than "enormous".
If I say "I literally cut my own head off," and I still have a head, I don't need to otherwise make it clear that I did not literally cut my own head off, but that I'm using literally as a synonym for its traditional antonym. Likewise, if I praise a painting for its masterful brush strokes, I'm clearly not indicating that the brush strokes were applied in a domineering manner, because that wouldn't make sense--how could I?
But when describing the population of China as an enormity, I could only be saying that it's enormous, or I could be saying that it is out of control--an evil. I'd grade it wrong on a test, because if the point of language is to communicate, the speaker has failed to do so, due to an error of usage.
is based on the number of the population in each country who are members of a Christian denomination or who identify themselves as Christian, plus their children. It says nothing about the number of who actually believe in God and are regularly in the church.
On a personal note, I consider this a good thing.
First it was the England & Wales Census (although I'm sure a similar picture will be seen in the other parts of the UK). Secondly, while Christianity is now under 50%, it still makes up the largest single belief system at 46% followed by no-religion at just under 40%.