In my head I always thought of Greece as one of the major important European nations. After spending several years on this site, I realize they are rarely ever an answer on any superlative world or European quizzes.
Greece has a population of 10 million. That's half the Netherlands, one sixth of Italy, and one eighth of Germany. It's very difficult that they can enter any non-historical ranking.
However, all the Olympic medals since 1896 feature the Greek goddess Nike, the Parthenon and the Panathenaic Stadium in Athens on the back side. So, technically, we are there…Represented even on the medals that haven’t been awarded to us lol :P
A good argument for why measuring Olympic medals per capita doesn't make a lot of sense, but yes, they've done well. Norway's winter medal count is even more extreme.
It could also be a good argument to actually see why it does make a lot sense!:)) Finns and Swedes have fiercely fought in track and field events almost for a hundred years, especially every year in "Finnkampen" or "Maaottelu". Sports in all forms is an important part of the competitive spirit of these peoples. In Norway, too, which is best in winter.
But did having a small population prevent them from winning medals? Or are you saying that Swedish athletes are 1,000 times more talented and hard working than Chinese athletes? (as per capita figures would suggest)
There must a myriad of reasons why small countries concentrate and excel in their "own" sports (e.g. Netherlands in skating or Austria in slalom). - Conditions offered by nature, sports traditions, and motivation to win must be among the reasons. USA (like China for sure in the future) is great in hundreds of various sports, but small nations may be good in just one or two. And where they are good, there they bring olympic medals back home..
yes. sure. And that obviously goes a long way for the Norwegians. Athletic tradition, competitive spirit, natural talent, genetics, the natural environment available to practice in, economic development (giving more resources to commit toward athletic development), and internal politics all play a big role in the equation of how many medals a country earns. But population? When you start trying to figure that way you get some really crazy results that don't make sense. I think it's only really a factor with micro nations like Liechtenstein where there simply aren't enough people to draw upon to field an Olympic team. Otherwise it's an insignificant factor. (and, at the same time, if Vatican City were to win one gold medal in synchronized swimming that doesn't immediately mean that they have a stronger sporting tradition than China or the US or Germany. Measuring per capita it would seem that way. But it should just be regarded as a fluke.)
What you say is true. Good arguments. You may have seen my quiz: "Top 15 Gold Medal Countries in Summer Olympics & World Map". Grenada is the 8th best country in per capita ranking. The relative rankings really do not give justice to the biggest countries, but it is also fair to try somehow see how small nations do. My quiz includes both ways of ranking.
I can say with a high degree of certainty that population is at least as important as genetics and "natural talent" in determining which countries are most likely to win Olympic medals. If you don't like doing it per capita you can always try dividing by the square root of the number of people in the country, or using some other function. But saying population isn't a factor borders on laughable.
I can say with a higher degree of certainty that it's absolutely not and, more important than my level of certainty, the data backs up my opinion and places it beyond dispute. Saying that population is a factor borders on laughable. Just look at the data. It's not ambiguous. It's not a factor.
Nevermind you're right. Population is a much more important factor than genetics. That's why there are so many more champion marathon runners from Indonesia than from Kenya. Okay. Case closed.
I think measuring medals per sports budget, medals per Olympic sports budget, per GDP, or per active athletes may yield mor interesting correlations, but just per population is quite blunt.
What about Australia's? 497 for a country that for most of the 20th century had well under 20 million and even less than 10 million people in the earlier part.
Apparently there was an Aussie in one if the cities which was hosting the early games, and he decided to represent Australia. He went home with 2 gold's and a bronze.
in Australia we are some of the most sports obsessed people in the world. we have very strong water sports teams and when you add in rugby etc. it isn't that surprising.
Cuba was the only one I couldn't get. Looked it up--they've won a ton of medals in boxing, wrestling, and judo. Note to self: never pick a fight with someone in Cuba.
Check out my quiz: "Top 15 Gold Medal Countries in Summer Olympics & World Map". This quiz includes both ways of ranking. Five countries make both top-15 lists.
Because East Germany and West Germany were two different countries that fielded separate teams that competed in the same Olympics. No other country gets to go to the Olympics with two different teams. And the USSR, while colloquially seen as synonymous with Russia, was really a collection of many different states so awarding their medals to Russia would be unfair to Ukraine, Belarus, etc.
How is Russia separate from USSR? It feels inconsistent if you're going to combine West Germany and Germany. It was the only answer I didn't come up with, as I kept trying to think of places I hadn't guessed. Tried Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia even.
West Germany is the Anglophone name for the Bundesrepubik Deutschland (BRD). That country is now the country we call "Germany." It has the same constitution as it's had since 1949. When "East Germany" (the DDR) collapsed, its states were added to the BRD in the same way that the US has added new states in the past. When the Soviet Union collapsed, all 15 of its constituent republics, including Russia, wrote new constitutions and became new countries.
Yet all the countries had been added to the Russian Empire in the first place. The USSR was nothing more than a continuation of the Russian Empire with a new boss in the chair.
Not in love with separating USSR and Russia, but I understand the Germany/West Germany one. Cuba, Finland, Australia...punching way above their weight in terms of population.
I don't think East Germany should be separate. Having Germany and West Germany come up as one sort of gets on to think that ALL incarnations of Germany will come up as that one. Kind of a dishonest trick.
The German sport organisations exist continuous until now and were the same before, during and after the cold war. The East German sport organisations were all founded in the late 40s or early 50s and all disappeared in 90-91 . That is why West Germany and Germany are always together in the IOC statistics, but East Germany isn't.
For the Olympics, countries are defined by the National Olympic Comitee, not by our usual definition.
That's why United Kingdom is known as Great Britain for exemple. That also leads to the fact that Germany = West Germany, Russia ≠ USSR, USSR = Unified Team, Czechia ≠ Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and East Germany are stand alone.
This also brings some odd things, like Porto Rico or Guam not competing with USA, Cayman Islands or Bermuda not competing with Great Britain.
Why is East Germany separated? Saying you include West Germany leads to a reasonable assumption that you are including all of Germany, past and present.
Because East Germany is a different country than Germany. We are extremely consistent about this on all our quizzes. Making an exception here would cause people to ask for the same exception on all our other quizzes.
When Germany reunified, it happened via West Germany absorbing East Germany. East Germany then ceased to exist.
So West Germany is the same country as today's Germany. East Germany is not.
I know it's confusing. There's no good way to handle this problem.
Pls see also this one with additional list of olympic medals of countries per capita:
"Top 15 Gold Medal Countries in Summer Olympics & World Map"
NEW ZEALAND!!!!
Aussies have some of the most well-funded sports groups in the world only really behind the U.S in most cases
Some years their groups even get more money than the likes of France or GB
There count would go even higher if a lot more team sports were in the contests like league cricket and good ol aussie rules
China
Taiwan (chinese taipei)
Hong Kong
I even think Macau was a seperate team for a games or two
That's why United Kingdom is known as Great Britain for exemple. That also leads to the fact that Germany = West Germany, Russia ≠ USSR, USSR = Unified Team, Czechia ≠ Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and East Germany are stand alone.
This also brings some odd things, like Porto Rico or Guam not competing with USA, Cayman Islands or Bermuda not competing with Great Britain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_at_the_Olympics
When Germany reunified, it happened via West Germany absorbing East Germany. East Germany then ceased to exist.
So West Germany is the same country as today's Germany. East Germany is not.
I know it's confusing. There's no good way to handle this problem.