It's not about the country as such, though, is it? It's about the people. The people who won those medals for East Germany were from places which are now (and were previously) part of Germany, and those who are still alive are German citizens.
I agree with JonOfKent's argument. The same should apply for Russia/USSR. Of course, this would mean the US dropping to 4th place and being beaten by the ruskies. Can't have that.
So Russia should get all the medals of USSR? What about the other republics? And should medals won by Prussians before WWII be counted for Poland or Russia, instead of Germany?
This is quite simple: the German Olympic comitee exists continuous since 1895. It was the same before, during and after the cold war. The East German Olympic comitee was a totally new entitee founded in 1951 and disbanded in 1990. That is why West Germany and Germany are together, East Germany isn't, and IOC uses it that way in their statistics.
Valid argument, although I believe that Germany was divided by foreign powers and most defenitely not by the people. The East German winners nowdays and most likely back then identified with Germany and won the medals as Germans. The UdSSR had multiple supressed ethnicities and can not be fully considered as russian medals.
Probably because the USA are better known for their prowess in the Summer Olympics. Interesting, though, that USA still shows up at 100%, so your fail hasn't made much of a splash.
Yeah except that if you could all medal won by the United States, USSR, and Norway as medals won by Zimbabwe then Zimbabwe would be #1 and it would make the same amount of sense.
East Germany no longer exists. It's not part of any country. West Germany did not win those medals, just as Zimbabwe did not win any of the medals previously won by the USSR.
East Germany didn't win these medals but their athletes did and these people are German citizens living in Germany nowadays (if they're still alive that is). Sure you could argue that it would be unfair to count both east and west German medals as medals won by Germany because many of these medals were won by east and west Germans in the exact same disciplines (especially if there's a limit on how many athletes from one country are allowed or if it's a team discipline where only 1 team per country is participating). Still that doesn't change the fact that these athletes were Germans and it's a completely different situation with countries like the Soviet Union because they didn't have only Russians winning their medals but also athletes from other soviet republics like Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia etc.
it's not different. You just want it to be. If a Chinese olympiad moved to Boston and gained American citizenship, his medals wouldn't then be won by the United States.
There's this pesky concept of "successor states", which is universally accepted by everyone except kalbahamut when it's convenient for the USA. Of course East German medals should count for Germany, just as Soviet Union medals should count for Russia.
yeah except it's not. dg, projecting and being embarrassingly hypocritical as always, making statements that are objectively false and disproven easily in a matter of a few seconds of googling or a split second of thinking about it, accusing others of traits and bias he is himself guilty of.
Norway is 118th in the world in terms of population. Vatican has 0 medals. Norway has more than other countries of similar climate that have significantly larger populations.
Plus Norway has more than the US, which is waaay bigger by both size and population and is similar in terms of development. This isn't to mention the fact that the US is usually considered to have the best sports programs in the world (I mean, we absolutely dominate the Summer Olympics) and has many regions with the perfect climate for winter sports training.
No matter how you look at it, Norway's tally is pretty mind-boggling.
by "everyone" dg of course means only himself and a small handful of biased/bigoted dullards suffering an obnoxious inferiority complex. As demonstrated here since the commenter being responded to states plainly he only missed the obvious answer because he thought he had already tried it. Sort of like replying to someone saying that he likes hamburgers with some condescending retort stating "you're only saying that because everybody hates hamburgers." ... the reply is preemptively refuted by the comment being responded to.
That's German Wikipedia. Unsurprisingly. Where they take a ridiculous invented concept that uniquely advantages them and disadvantages every single other country in the world and just run with it as if it were what everyone accepted. The main Wikipedia page takes a much more neutral stance, even though it devotes more page space than it should to this silly concept of successor states that in the past could field multiple teams and gain medals with both of them. The English-language US-based site presents all sides to this plainly and matter-of-factly. The German side does not. No wonder people from German-speaking countries have such a buggered and myopic view of things, while believing that others who aren't are guilty of the same sins. Unfortunate.
i feel like berlin should work as a type in for east germany because its often referred to as that. But of course thats gonna trigger all the people that will be like "Well in that case, why dont we rename France to Paris!?!??!"
West Germany = Germany = Federal Republic of Germany.
East Germany = German Democratic Republic.
East Germany was a separate country that no longer exists.
No matter how you look at it, Norway's tally is pretty mind-boggling.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewiger_Medaillenspiegel_der_Olympischen_Winterspiele
If they were called that way it's because Russia as a state cheated with doping people.
It is fair to take that into consideration and remove what they earned under any flag but Russia ones.
I hardly recommand that Russia incudes only Russia and neither R.O.C nor O.A.R.