The Roman Empire and Holy Roman Empire are separated by over 1,000 years, and the only major thing they have in common is that they were both large empires. The Holy Roman Empire, as John Green puts it, is not Holy, nor Roman as well.
+ryanyesman Yes, the Holy Roman Empire was maybe the most complex nation in the history of the world. It consisted of hundreds of different principalities, counties, bishoprics and all other kinds of fun semi-independent entities. I personally don't think it should be considered a single nation, especially in this quiz.
Actually, Austria (or as it's called here, the 'Habsburg Empire') was a part of the Holy Roman Empire. The Austrian Habsburgs were the emperors of the HRE almost continuously from the 1400s to it's dissolvation by Napoleon.
there is a freaking quiz on this site, that has you name every. single. nation in the HRE, I had several mental breakdowns doing that, but after many freakouts I completed it.
The Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire are NOT the same thing at all, and Rome should not be accepted for HRE. The only thing they had in common was their name, because the HRE considered itself to be the successor of the Roman Empire, though it didn't actually have much in common with it : it was mostly made up of German-speaking territories, and it never really was a "country", but rather an association of several independent countries that were often at war with each other.
technically the Frankish Empire, later the French Empire, formed the HRE if you believe some historians, Prussia, the largest German-speaking nation in the HRE, united it into the German Empire,
Holy Roman Empire shouldn't accept "Rome," but it should accept "Germany" because that's precisely one the names that many contemporaneous sources used to call it as well as the name of the modern country which most (albeit roughly) corresponds to its borders.
Maybe they shouldn't be teaching kids about the Holy Roman Empire in 6th grade since it's obviously confusing them. The Holy Roman Empire is absolutely NOT the same as the Roman Empire.
In fairness those who adopted the name very much wanted you to think that the two things were connected or one and the same. The Romans were so successful for so long that for centuries after the empire fell, pretty much all of Europe was trying to claim they were the proper successors.
@zakattack this isnt about all the big empires, there are dates above each column, it is from 1500 and up. So yes both things exist, but that doesnt mean they both should be on the quiz.
Holy Roman Empire wasn't really a country in 1500s onwards. It was a loose confederation of de facto independent states. I'd compare it to the European Union
One thing I've learned during my history studies is that the whole concept of 'country' is pretty ambiguous for anything that existed before 19th century.
As others have pointed out. If you accept "France" for the "French Empire," "UK" for the "British Empire," "India" for the "Maratha Empire,"
"Russia" for the "Russian Empire," "Spain" for the "Spanish Empire,"
"Austria" for the "Hapsburg Empire," "Austria" for "Austria-Hungary,"
"Denmark" for the "Dutch Empire," "Hungary" for "Hungary and Croatia," and "Poland" for "Polish-Lithuanian Union"...
Then you probably also ought to accept "Russia" for the "Soviet Union," "Turkey" for the "Ottoman Empire," and maybe even "Mexico" for the Aztecs, "Peru" for the Incas, and "Germany" for the HRE. There's little rationale for not doing so, other than you don't accept those type-ins in other places on the site.
Why on earth would they accept "Denmark" for the Dutch Empire?
"Commemorate Empire Day, when we try to remember the names of all those from the Sudbury area who so gallantly gave their lives to keep China British."
Germany did not exist with the HRE, only after Prussia unified the HRE to form the German Empire, The Netherlands were the ones who had the Dutch empire, and Russia was only a part of the USSR, although they were the ones in control. The USSR was literally a union, it says so in the name
Why is Germany just Germany in 1900 whereas other European empires are labelled as, example, British Empire, rather than Britain or United Kingdom? Is it excluding German colonies? Great quiz!
You can just do Poland and get it, so not really odd. But for Hungary and Croatia you have to do the full thing, I tried Hungary but that didn't count for it
I know India was really fractured by 1500, but it still surprises me that no Indian empires from that period cracked the top 10. I would've thought something like the Delhi Sultanate or Vijayanagara Empire (the latter of which had one of the world's largest cities at the time) would've made it. Maybe they didn't keep good records though, or maybe I've overestimating the size of these empires.
Also pretty surprised that the Spanish Empire, with all its land area, only had a slightly high population than the Holy Roman Empire by 1800.
I think that figure for the British Empire in 1800 is way too high. This is after the loss of much of North America and before the conquest of most of India or basically any of Africa. The Second and Third Anglo-Maratha Wars after 1800 did much to expand British rule in India, but in 1800 that was still in the future. This page gives the population of British India as late as 1814 as only 40,000,000 and the entire empire as 61,000,000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_British_Empire) while this one suggests 57,000,000 for the Empire as a whole in 1800, with the vast majority of India's population still under the Maratha Confederacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1800).
On one hand you accept Austria for Habsburg Empire, India for Marathi Empire and Poland for Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. On the other hand you do not accept Turkey for Ottoman Empire, Germany for Holy Roman and Russia for USSR. Similar logic though.
Great quizz anyway, thanks!
Actually, Austria (or as it's called here, the 'Habsburg Empire') was a part of the Holy Roman Empire. The Austrian Habsburgs were the emperors of the HRE almost continuously from the 1400s to it's dissolvation by Napoleon.
It's a little bit like having the Plantagenets Empire and France on the same map : both are held by french dynasties though they are not the same...
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As others have pointed out. If you accept "France" for the "French Empire," "UK" for the "British Empire," "India" for the "Maratha Empire,"
"Russia" for the "Russian Empire," "Spain" for the "Spanish Empire,"
"Austria" for the "Hapsburg Empire," "Austria" for "Austria-Hungary,"
"Denmark" for the "Dutch Empire," "Hungary" for "Hungary and Croatia," and "Poland" for "Polish-Lithuanian Union"...
Then you probably also ought to accept "Russia" for the "Soviet Union," "Turkey" for the "Ottoman Empire," and maybe even "Mexico" for the Aztecs, "Peru" for the Incas, and "Germany" for the HRE. There's little rationale for not doing so, other than you don't accept those type-ins in other places on the site.
"Commemorate Empire Day, when we try to remember the names of all those from the Sudbury area who so gallantly gave their lives to keep China British."
- Month Python
THAT’S RUSSIA
Also pretty surprised that the Spanish Empire, with all its land area, only had a slightly high population than the Holy Roman Empire by 1800.
either you should change the title to countries and empires or you could except countries for empires
ex. mexico counts for aztec empire, turkey counts for ottoman empire, ect.
However, I disagree much more with people saying "Rome" should be accepted haha.
On one hand you accept Austria for Habsburg Empire, India for Marathi Empire and Poland for Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. On the other hand you do not accept Turkey for Ottoman Empire, Germany for Holy Roman and Russia for USSR. Similar logic though.