Very interesting list, indeed. It appears to me, however, that there is some double counting involved - some territories are listed as parts of the Holy Roman Empire and also as parts of some other country.
Heroic guessers. In the Talk page, one of those heroic guessers puts the population of the entire Indian subcontinent at less than 150 million. http://www.populstat.info/Asia/indiac.htm asserts that that is far too low.
Definitely huge speculation! But I would say 150 million is fair. China, for example, had a population of below 100 million for most of its history until a population explosion started around 1400.
Learned a new word. I hadnt seen anyone use the word verklempt before. I could guess what it meant though, it looks very dutch, I assume it is yiddish. I guess he literal translation in english would be be/en-clenched. (english usually doesnt have a prefix though, not anmore, in places where other germanic languages do). I guess clenched up, word work, to avoid the prefix.
After the Roman Empire spent 1500 years ruling over pretty much all of Europe and the known Western world, and representing everything the West knew about civilization and governance... for a very long time almost everyone claimed to be successors to the Romans. That's why you've got tsars/czars in Russia, kaisers in Germany, kaysers in Ottoman Turkey, etc. And why the Frankish kings thought it important to establish their legitimacy by making their own claim on that legacy (and being crowned by the Pope, thus their holiness).
That's also why I did not get Prussia . I thought (I do not know if I am right and am too lazy to look it up) that it was in the HRE and would not count. Guess I was wrong
Prussia has a complicated history. Historical Prussia was a duchy in Poland. Eventually through the vagaries of dynastic politics it was established as an independent duchy, and around the same time another branch of the Hohenzollern ruling family (who were also the dukes of Brandenburg) ended up in charge of Prussia.
In 1701 or thereabouts Frederick I was allowed by the Holy Roman Emperor to call himself King IN Prussia (i.e. in the independent duchy, but not in Brandenburg which was still feudally subject to the Emperor). Frederick II the Great in 1772 was powerful enough to declare himself King OF Prussia, having taken over the various other bits of Prussia under direct rule (instead of owning them as a subject of the Emperor).
Shortly after this, the HRE dissolved entirely.
Re: Habsburgs, there was a Habsburg Emperor in the HRE, but the Habsburgs were very extensive and also ruled Spain and Austria-Hungary (which also has a complicated relationship with the HRE).
The point is that in this case the Habsburg ruler of Austria was the same person as the emperor of the HRE.
So if you refer to the 'Habsburg empire' it can be assumed that you refer to the holdings of the only emperor the Habsburgs had at the time, Francis II, emperor of the HRE.
Austria was not an empire at the time, rather a duchy part of the HRE and Spain was ruled by the house of Bourbon.
Francis II was also king of Hungary and Croatia, but I doubt that is what most people mean when they say 'Habsburg empire'
The geographic area that contemporary humans conceive of as "China" is a huge and diverse place full of several different fertile river valleys that have been teeming with people for a very long time. However, civilization begin much earlier in the West (in Mesopotamia, the Fertile Crescent, and Egypt). Large population centers (cities) arose there first, and several large land empires came to be in the history of Western Civilization that at the time certainly eclipsed any kingdom or dynasty of China during the same period. Notably, the Achaemenid Empire and Sassanid Empire (both Persian, though the latter was a partially Hellenistic empire, too) are estimated to have contained 44% and 37% of the entire world's population, at their greatest extent, respectively. The Roman Empire in the 2nd century contained about 36% of the world's population. And the British Empire in 1900 ruled over approximately 420 million people, compared to Qing China's 415.
Can you show me the source you get 420 million people? According to wikipedia, the population of british empire in 1900 was 383 000 000, which was way below qing empire.
Additionally, there was no China when Egypt's Old Kingdom reached a population perhaps as high as 2 million people. The Xia Dynasty, which historians don't even agree existed, didn't begin until around 2100 BC, if at all. The Egyptian Old Kingdom is older than that. The Shang Dynasty began in China 500 years later.
Because there was no written record at that time, we can never know the exact population of china during Egypts old kingdom, so we cannot know which one was more crowded.
Most crowded, are you serious??? Currently it is at 61th place in population density. So a better question is, was there a period that it WAS the most crowded one, the place is huge. Crowded is the amount of people per area btw, not the amount of people in total, if you meant that you should have used populous. Which since it is rather big, is not that weird there are many people.
Bangladesh, Taiwan, south-korea, rwanda and the netherlands and india are wayyyy more crowded than china. (bangladesh is ridiculously high, above 1150 (pop/km²), the others are approx 400-650 while china does not even reach 150. China is sort of between greece and switzerland when it comes to crowdedness (population density).
Well kingdom, of sicily and southern italy. An odd name for an odd place really, the kingdom was started by Normans and was a Spanish/Habsburg possession for a long time
I can totally understand not accepting Italy for Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, because it's not the same thing at all, but I wish the quiz did because I'd have only missed Burma.
That's all thanks to the Industrial Revolution. In the couple centuries prior to this, Europe had actually fallen pretty far behind the Far East for the first time in history. Then... the Industrial Revolution (1760-1840)... and they rocketed ahead.
Interesting quiz. Didn't get the Kingdom of Two Sicilies and Burma. Funny how I guessed Vietnam. Also, who doesn't know the HRE? I guess Napoleon fixing the country up wasn't enough for people to remember them.
I think it's a bit suspect to have the holy roman empire in here at the same time as the austro-hungarian empire, prussia, the kingdom of the two sicilies, etc. The Holy Roman Empire wasn't long for this world in 1800 and, perhaps more compellingly, was not really sovereign over the places listed.
While I only just learned that Prussia was never officially part of the Holy Roman Empire (and I'm German!), it seems (according to other Wikipedia articles) that Austria was, until it became it's own Empire in 1804. Or does "Habsburg Empire" mean more than just Austria(-Hungary)?
The Habsburgs controlled the emperorship of the HRE but also had their own direct possessions outside the HRE. The wikipedia article linked in the description is poor because it counts many areas more than once for this reason.
Prussia was complicated. The Hohenzollerns controlled areas within the HRE such as Brandenberg but the area governed by the King in Prussia (also a Hohenzollern) was outside the HRE. Similarly, George III was the King of England in 1800 but was also an elector in the HRE (Hanover). England was obviously not in the HRE, just like Prussia also wasn't.
I know nothing about the 1800s but just guessed random countries and remembered that Prussia, the Ottoman Empire, and the HRE existed, got lucky with a random Sicily guess!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1800
Instead it was a loose union of principalities, bishoprics and duchies that didn't have any sort of unity among each other.
In 1701 or thereabouts Frederick I was allowed by the Holy Roman Emperor to call himself King IN Prussia (i.e. in the independent duchy, but not in Brandenburg which was still feudally subject to the Emperor). Frederick II the Great in 1772 was powerful enough to declare himself King OF Prussia, having taken over the various other bits of Prussia under direct rule (instead of owning them as a subject of the Emperor).
Shortly after this, the HRE dissolved entirely.
Re: Habsburgs, there was a Habsburg Emperor in the HRE, but the Habsburgs were very extensive and also ruled Spain and Austria-Hungary (which also has a complicated relationship with the HRE).
So if you refer to the 'Habsburg empire' it can be assumed that you refer to the holdings of the only emperor the Habsburgs had at the time, Francis II, emperor of the HRE.
Austria was not an empire at the time, rather a duchy part of the HRE and Spain was ruled by the house of Bourbon.
Francis II was also king of Hungary and Croatia, but I doubt that is what most people mean when they say 'Habsburg empire'
Bangladesh, Taiwan, south-korea, rwanda and the netherlands and india are wayyyy more crowded than china. (bangladesh is ridiculously high, above 1150 (pop/km²), the others are approx 400-650 while china does not even reach 150. China is sort of between greece and switzerland when it comes to crowdedness (population density).