I don't know. There may have been an older comment that got purged. But for now I'm going to assume there is a carnivorous clown somewhere in the sewers of NATO. Better safe than sorry.
Interestingly enough, it's one of the first countries to join since the organization's founding. It joined with Greece in 1952, with only Portugal preceding them.
Eastern Thrace in Turkey is in Europe. Also NATO isn’t strictly North American and European it’s in the ‘North Atlantic’ hence North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Turkey is in the North Atlantic.
It is actually a little surprising (to me anyway) that Malta isn't on the list, especially considering how strategically important it was during WWII anyway. It also surprises me that Finland isn't on the list, considering it's historic strife against Russia. You would think that being directly on the Soviet Union's doorstep, and after the Winter War, the Finns would have been quick to jump on the NATO bandwagon!
1. butts in with personal opinions to disparage someone sharing personal opinions.
2. claims nobody needs to hear what person A thinks about Serbia.
3. posts link to comment section with person A's thoughts about Serbia. In case anybody wants to hear.
Do you work for Serbian customs or their kleptocratic kangaroo courts by any chance? Your mastery of logic is just as strong. And it's kind of cute that you think everyone's going to run to the defense of Serbia... kind of like putting someone on blast for once saying negative things about colon cancer.
Well, the U.S. had to choose side in the former Yugoslavia conflict and Serbia was not at that side. Because we were allies in the WW II we felt like we were betreyed. After that there was a bombing party in 1999. We really do not have good feelings about NATO. No one dares to sign such a document that could make Serbia a part of the NATO. It would be a suicidal act for sure.
Nearly didn't get Belgium because I typed Brussels, it didn't come pop, and I decided that meant they weren't in. No idea what was going through my head.
This quiz would have more difficult if it had not been in alphabetical order. Since the North Atlantic touches North America and Europe those are the likely choices. It is a bit confusing since there are more countries then are strictly touching the Atlantic.
It's so strategically important, it was occupied by the UK on 10 May 1940 when they declined to join the Allies in WWII. It was better to be a member in good standing of NATO and retain their autonomy than to be occupied during a potential conflict between NATO and the Soviet Union.
Really interesting to see just how many eastern bloc countries have abandoned Russia and joined NATO. The Baltics in particular, and Romania and Bulgaria, must’ve been a real kick in the balls for Russia.
When the USSR placed missiles on the United States' doorstep it almost lead to World War 3. Makes sense that Russia becomes nervous if they are surrounded by NATO members and bases (especially given the fact that there were probably promises not to expand NATO eastwards in 1990). This situation shouldn't make us Westerners thump our chests; we should be cautious.
It is about communism not Russians. Communists do not belong to any nation, that is one of the main characteristics of them. Internationalism. Seems like you do not know basics of this political concept.
NATO was founded to defend against potential aggression by the Soviet Union (Russia) and its satellites. It is in practice a mutual defense treaty which has been invoked against aggressive moves by Iraq (not communist), Bosnia (not communist), Serbia (not communist), the Taleban (not communist), and Libya (also not communist). Not to defend against political ideologies. It's most pressing concern is and always has been the defense of the European members against Russian/Soviet military strength. You can't bomb communism. Educate yourself.
If you're talking about the museum in Budapest that I referenced, yes, it is about communists. Specifically, Russian communists and those aligned with them. I visited twice. The regime in Hungary was not propped up by China or Cuba. and Hungary did not join NATO for fear of being dominated by North Korea or the Ethiopian derg.
Fun fact: Turkey and Greece being in NATO is the only reason there has not been a war between them recently. Of course with Erdogan that might not be the case soon.
It's a positive development for sure when nations can join together in solidarity to oppose attacks on each other. It also increases the legitimacy and security of Macedonia.
Kolji, you have my sympathy. I would ask you not to believe that people who live in Nato countries have no empathy. I too think it was wrong what happened in 1999. However, the nightmare of the former Yugoslavia's disintegration and in particular Srebrenica was the stimulus, the example of what happens when people stand aside peacefully and watch what the UN can manage. I don't believe that Serbians should fear NATO, I don't believe that Russians should either. It is, or certainly should be, a defensive organisation
Man Macedonia starting with N really makes it hard to get aplhabetically. My frist thought for 'between Netherlands and Norway' is not usually Macedonia... Oh well
Riiiiight... and what's happening in Ukraine right now is just a "special military operation" to de-Nazify the country. I wish that I could respond to you more appropriately, on behalf of the many people I know personally who are suffering very directly from such ignorance right now, but even expressing this wish I feel like is an invitation to get my comment censored in what has become a very Putinesque atmosphere in the comments section here.
If there's any silver lining at all to the senseless tragedy and atrocity of what's currently happening in Ukraine right now it may be the strengthening and growth of NATO, the vital need for which has always been clear to those paying attention but never moreso than now going back to collapse of the Soviet Union. If there are two, then it might be Putin being invited by the Russian people to Red Square to do his best Muammar Qaddafi impersonation.
Agreed, those in the West calling for it's dissolution are either patsies for Russian propaganda or, like antivaxxers, completely ignorant to how hard and dangerous life was prior to its existence.
Ironically, Dmitry Peskov (Putin's spokesman) said yesterday, that the purpose of so called 'special military operation' in Ukraine was to prevent the WWIII. Well, things are going quite the opposite...
Congrats to Finland. This is very obviously the right move and good for them and for the world. Distrust anyone who says otherwise.
But... they did not yet join NATO. They voted to apply for NATO membership. Their application has to be received and approved before they become NATO members, it's not automatic, and Erdogan (who is himself a corrupt and self-dealing would-be despot very much like Putin or Trump) might block it, if he doesn't think it will benefit him personally.
Anyone familiar with why Luxembourg takes up the fight?
I guess it's nice to know there are fewer countries unsigned and freeloading than aren't. Though there is certainly an unequal contribution by members.
As I understand it, Serbia is Russia-friendly, which explains their absence.
Austria is neutral(?). Both it, and Ireland are 'partners' (..so are RUS/UKR/BEL..)
The weak links are, Turkey, Hungary, Romania, Germany, France (in that order)? Why is it always France...
The strongest links are US, UK, ? Maybe Canada, Netherlands, Poland, Baltics. You'd have to discriminate between will of populace, government, and capability.
Moldova has a border dispute in Transnistria, which prevents membership regardless of will, afaik.
I know there's some UN-backed NATO peace-keeping operation or something of the sort in Kosovo re Serbia conflict. I don't know anything about Bosnia- apparently it's in negotiations to become a member.
AFAIK Cyprus is heavily Russian populated or associated.
You asked "What's still in the NATO?"
I responded "It" (is still in the NATO)
Now it makes sense.
Here is the link if anybody wants to know why kalbahamut hates Serbia: https://www.jetpunk.com/user-quizzes/149667/countries-bordering-serbia
2. claims nobody needs to hear what person A thinks about Serbia.
3. posts link to comment section with person A's thoughts about Serbia. In case anybody wants to hear.
Do you work for Serbian customs or their kleptocratic kangaroo courts by any chance? Your mastery of logic is just as strong. And it's kind of cute that you think everyone's going to run to the defense of Serbia... kind of like putting someone on blast for once saying negative things about colon cancer.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/nato_countries.htm
and those responsible for delineating boundaries would just do the logical thing and join Europe to Asia. After all, it is one land mass.
If you're talking about the museum in Budapest that I referenced, yes, it is about communists. Specifically, Russian communists and those aligned with them. I visited twice. The regime in Hungary was not propped up by China or Cuba. and Hungary did not join NATO for fear of being dominated by North Korea or the Ethiopian derg.
But... they did not yet join NATO. They voted to apply for NATO membership. Their application has to be received and approved before they become NATO members, it's not automatic, and Erdogan (who is himself a corrupt and self-dealing would-be despot very much like Putin or Trump) might block it, if he doesn't think it will benefit him personally.
We will need to add Sweden and finland soon
I guess it's nice to know there are fewer countries unsigned and freeloading than aren't. Though there is certainly an unequal contribution by members.
As I understand it, Serbia is Russia-friendly, which explains their absence.
Austria is neutral(?). Both it, and Ireland are 'partners' (..so are RUS/UKR/BEL..)
The weak links are, Turkey, Hungary, Romania, Germany, France (in that order)? Why is it always France...
The strongest links are US, UK, ? Maybe Canada, Netherlands, Poland, Baltics. You'd have to discriminate between will of populace, government, and capability.
Moldova has a border dispute in Transnistria, which prevents membership regardless of will, afaik.
I know there's some UN-backed NATO peace-keeping operation or something of the sort in Kosovo re Serbia conflict. I don't know anything about Bosnia- apparently it's in negotiations to become a member.
AFAIK Cyprus is heavily Russian populated or associated.