It was New York, Chicago, and Philadelphia for years. Then Los Angeles took over some of its suburbs. I don’t think any other city has been in the top three.
There were several exceptions to NYC, Chicago, Philly, and LA, although mostly in the early days. In 1790 Boston was 3rd. From 1800-1820 Baltimore was 3rd (and was 2nd in 1830-1840), New Orleans was 3rd in 1840, Boston was 3rd in 1850, Brooklyn 3rd in 1860-1880 (as it was separate from NYC at the time). Of course, after that it is what you said.
Agreed. The blame for decades long economic collapse in a dull cold landscapes versus growth in warmer climates has nothing to do with current politicians. The young outsiders' political blame game is getting pathetic.
What killed Detroit (like many Midwest and eastern cities) was a mixture of many things, which includes politics and greed, along with racism, migration and the loss of manufacturers. Democrats support unions. Union demands (greed) caused corporate America to seek cheaper labor elsewhere, which eliminated manufacturing jobs in Detroit. So people started leaving Detroit for work in other places. On Top of that, racism played a role with white flight, where whites started fleeing for the comfort and security of the suburbs, which impacted the city's population.
With the limited job market, poverty gripped the city and crime began to rise as people resorted to criminal activities to make ends meet. Then add drugs into the mix (at one point, 70% of all homicides in Detroit were drug related), plus political corruption (Kwame Kilpatrick -D) and you get the Detroit we have today.
Gary, Indiana is another good example with the decline in steel manufacturing, along with Pittsburgh, PA, etc
I find it interesting that union demands (higher wages, better benefits, safer working conditions, etc for working class people) are interpreted as "greed" whereas the people they're negotiating against, management, are typically trying to secure a fourth yacht but are never accused of greed. Also, it's worth noting that unions were incredibly powerful in New York, Chicago, and Boston in the mid-20th century but these cities somehow did not collapse to 1/3rd their size. Detroit and cities like it collapsed because of a deliberate policy of financialization and deindustrialization that was pursued by the federal government from the 70s, and a general policy of anti-urbanization from the end of WWII. Both parties encouraged this and both encourage it to this day, and there is literally no policy that any municipal government can take to stop it. At best they can blunt the edge, but even that's difficult
Whilst it might be correct to say that this is about more than partisan, party squabble generally, i.e., you can’t point directly to Democrats or Republicans, the polarised nature of politics doesn’t help. Probably better to say that, whilst no one side can be held entirely culpable, the nature of present day political squabbles is such that both sides must be held jointly responsible. When political support is so extremely tribal, with voters so entrenched in ‘the red team,’ or ‘the blue team’ and discourse losing all civility, you get problems like this. So, whilst no one side can be held responsible for creating the problem, they can both be blamed for failing to provide and implement solutions
It's so strange that US and Canadian cities have that wierd quirk where most of the people who live in the city live in a different local council area so they sometimes don't count.
In Australia we have different "cities" within a city from a technical standpoint, (I live in Melbourne, but technically my local council is the City of Maroondah - you've never heard of it) but you don't get people take it as actually different places!
Arguably the US system is actually simpler than the Australian one. The City of Melbourne for example contains less than 3% of what we typically consider to be Melbourne. These population figures for US cities don't really give you a good idea of how big these cities really are, but they come closer to the reality than equivalent Australian figures (Queensland cities are an exception - around half of Greater Brisbane's population lives in the City of Brisbane and the vast majority of the Gold Coast's population live in Gold Coast City Council boundaries). But I do get your point - it seems more common in the US to refer to administrative boundaries than metro areas. People who live in San Bernardino aren't said to live in Los Angeles. You can be less than a mile from Downtown Manhattan and not be said to be in New York City, if you're across the Hudson. You can stand in Arlington, within sight of the Washington Monument and people will say you're not in Washington.
But here I am, 12 miles outside the actual boundary of the city of Denver, and nobody bats an eye if we say we live in Denver. It's rather inconsistent.
Maybe it's relative to how large the country is? I live in Diemen, a few hundred meters away from Amsterdam but God forbid I say im from Amsterdam or people will start tripping.
I think it’s really a matter of who you’re talking to. Even though I live 30 miles from the city of Houston, I would tell anybody who doesn’t live in Texas that I’m from Houston. If I’m talking to someone from Texas I tell the that I live south of Houston, and if I’m talking to someone from the Houston area I give the specific landmarks near me. Granted it’s a little different because of Houston’s enormous urban sprawl, at least when compared to other U.S. cities.
I'll never understand why people would count a city (or multiple cities) as part of another city just because its bigger, people always confuse me by telling me they live somewhere then i find out later that they live like a half hour drive outside the city they've told me they are from!
I'm not sure what the issue is frankly. If I'm traveling, I often tell people what state I'm from rather than try to be too specific in a way that won't be useful or informative (like my small town or the neighboring bigger city). This kind of thing is relative, and the way the quiz is setup is perfectly fine: every town/city has boundaries but in casual conversation people can associate themselves to it however they like, even if they technically live in a suburb or similar.
It means what it says. Once you step outside the city border, you are no longer in the city. So people who live in the suburbs or "metro area" do not count. New York, for example, has a city population of under 9 million people, but it skyrockets to 20 million people when you include the suburbs.
Yeah, that's really pretty literal. I know Texas (and I imagine other locales as well) puts up signs with the city name and population when you enter pretty much every city, from Diboll to Dallas. You drive across the Metroplex and are constantly entering/leaving cities.
but there are less than 1 million people living in Phoenix city limits, you can'tcount scottsdale, peoria, glendale, etc so there are WAY more people living in Philly metro area than Phoenix.. I should know, Ive lived outside of Philly and Phoenix for most of my life.
Nope, a million and a half living in Phoenix incorporated city boundaries. Its just a huge, huge boundary that on the East Coast would swallow up tons of suburbs.
Other states like Texas with more pro-corporate policies have been stealing away the tech industry that spurred on the city's rapid growth in the 90s and 2000s. Companies have been moving, and so have the jobs they represent, and as I've said countless times this is the main reason why people move, too.
By the most recent census data (2020) San Jose has a population of 1.013 - 1.029 million people. Most estimates still place San Jose's population above 1 million even with a population decline between 2020 and 2022. The data is slightly mixed, I looked at a couple of sources, most California State sources list San Jose's population above 1 million, however the cities own website lists it at 984,299. Still, I would err on the side of caution as most reputable sources still list it at over 1 million, and while there has been a slight population decline in the city proper, I personally would need to see more evidence of a net loss of 60,000+ people in just over a year. - This is not to say that the Greater San Jose Area population didn't decrease, just that San Jose is still probably + 1 million.
I should also clarify why it is unlikely for San Jose to have lost 60,000 residents in just over a year. To lose that many people would amount to a loss between 5-6% of all residents. California had a net loss of only 0.3% in 2021 (one of the largest net losses in the states history). Granted, the Bay area probably had a much larger net loss between housing prices and a particularly bad year of forest fires, but even then, say the predicted losses of 0.6% is an underestimate and it was triple the states average net loss at 0.9%. That would still only be a net loss of around 9000 to 10000 residents which would still keep the population above 1 million.
With the limited job market, poverty gripped the city and crime began to rise as people resorted to criminal activities to make ends meet. Then add drugs into the mix (at one point, 70% of all homicides in Detroit were drug related), plus political corruption (Kwame Kilpatrick -D) and you get the Detroit we have today.
Gary, Indiana is another good example with the decline in steel manufacturing, along with Pittsburgh, PA, etc
Ah yes, those evil racist light-colored humans. Always wanting to live in peaceful advanced societies and not be murdered. Very evil.
In Australia we have different "cities" within a city from a technical standpoint, (I live in Melbourne, but technically my local council is the City of Maroondah - you've never heard of it) but you don't get people take it as actually different places!