In the list of quizzes, this one shows it as asking for presidents who have won the "Noble Peace Prize." I believe a spelling correction might be in order.
As much I liked the guy, Obama's prize was basically the He's-Not-George-Bush award. Giving a peace prize to the acting commander two Asian ground wars is a bit of a departure from what I would consider meeting the essential requirements of the award.
Tend to agree. Not certain about TR. Carter - probably though. Not only an actual 'good guy' but the Egypt/Israel peace deal was not only a big deal then but it lasted. PS when I say 'good guy' I don't mean 'good president'. He had too many domestic policy failures for that.
Well, I don't think Wilson should have won the award since he did enact many Jim Crow laws so... Yeah, it seems Teddy is the only one on their who earned it
Jimmy Carter 100% deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. He's accomplished more in his post-Presidential career than while he was President. The Carter Center has done tons in terms of supporting development, eradicating disease (look up "Guinea Worm" and you'll see what I mean), and overseeing elections in the developing world.
Roosevelt got it for helping end the Russo-Japanese War, which makes sense to me. Wilson wasn't great as a person, but he got it for making the League of Nations, which was a noble (no pun intended!) endeavor, even if it didn't really do much.
So yeah, I'd say most of them deserve it, just not Obama. Although at the very least, he deserves it more than Henry Kissinger and Yasser Arafat.
The only problem is Bush and Obama are more alike than you believe. Both globalist shills, corporate loving authoritarians and warmongers. Obama was the biggest war spender of all time, with a budget of over 700 million. He waged war in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Yemen. He waged proxy wars and drone strikes, destabilized Libya and Egypt. Whaaaat a peacemaker!
Mostly inaccurate oversimplification. But all presidents have to try and work within the system. Unless they're simply too stupid to figure out how like the current one.
And only get one right in this quiz. Although I think most people remember that Obama received this prize if for no other reason than it made the prize irrelevant.
Obama actually fit the criteria for receiving the peace prize better than many other recipients that most people would deem more "worthy". From the text of Nobel's will: "the person who has done the most or best to advance fellowship among nations, the abolition or reduction of standing armies, and the establishment and promotion of peace congresses". When Obama was elected he started a reasonable dialogue with countries such as Iran, rather than warmongering dialogue.
And in response to that, terrorist organizations began to grow because of our reduced presence in the middle east. So, while he may have met the criteria, it came at a cost. The president has a duty to protect the United States from its enemies, which Obama neglected for political reasons. His responsibilities never included obtaining accolades. He simply followed through with a campaign promise whether it was good for the country or not.
dbyeti, so if that's the criteria, would it be reasonable that Trump would also qualify considering the middle east talks that were brokered under his presidency?
very true, some limiting of the options all helps. Just in case you have no other knowledge it helps. Just tried this quiz again and once again had the same one left.
Obama and Saudi Arabia started a genocide in Yemen that Trump continued. Obama was the first president to have a full presidency of war. He got the award before he did these things but Obama should not have gotten it
I hate US support for the war in Yemen as much as the next guy... but insinuating Obama is genocidal? For one, the blockade and subsequent famine in Yemen doesn't really fit under the definition of genocide--Saudi Arabia and its allies aren't doing it to selectively kill off an ethnic/religious group, they're doing it to gain control and a military advantage over Yemen. Also, it's not as though the US is the main perpetrator of this, and the US has even tried to send aid through the blockade.
I'm not trying to let Obama or Trump off easy--both of them gave aid to a country that actively committed war crimes in Yemen, which is really not acceptable at all (although I am pleased with Biden's attempts to emphasize human rights in his foreign policy more, which includes ending support for the Saudi coalition). It's wrong to call either of them actively genocidal though.
This comment prompted me to look up a variety of presidential rankings. Jimmy tends to be ranked last of this group, in the 26-33 range, which could be considered terrible, but definitely not the other three. Seems he got the award mainly for the work he continued to do after his presidency, though the Egypt Israel peace deal was a factor.
He also signed the Panama Canal Treaty with Omar Torrijos, an under appreciated accomplishment that defused a major source of tension between the US and Latin America
The top priorities of the POTUS should always be those that benefit the United States of America. If a president can obtain peace while at the same time adequately protecting the US from its enemies, then I consider it a success. But, we have never had a president that can do both. Peace is a wonderful idea, but it will never be obtainable globally. Instead, we have to do what is necessary to protect the nation. If that means going to war, then sobeit. If it means tightening up border security, then sobeit. If it means enforcing laws that already exist, then sobeit.
I could care less if a president wins that prize. It isn't a measure of success as the president of the United States of America.
These presidents (except Carter) did that. But because they were good, moral men (a big part of the reason they won the prize), they enforced the laws without stomping their feet and inciting hatred toward other groups. Look at how many illegal immigrants were deported under Obama. It was a lot, and he prioritized deporting people with criminal records. The difference is that Obama is compassionate enough and smart enough to know that you can deport them without getting on television and railing about how terrible immigrants are, because that is likely to stir up bigotry and xenophobia (but of course this is just a guess. No president would actually behave so irresponsibly...). Smart people understand that protecting the US and exercising great leadership are the results of sound and thoughtful policies, not grandstanding and pandering to the lowest common denominator with trite and simplistic notions about "America First." And that is why these men are esteemed.
Just out of curiosity does anyone know why H.W. Bush didn't get one? While I don't support many of his domestic policies and campaign tactics, one would think overseeing the peaceful collapse of the Soviet Union and the reunification of Germany would make him a strong contender. Did Iran Contra, Panama, or something he did while at the CIA rule him out?
^ yeah Bush didn't really have much to do with it. Not saying that he wasn't a very capable leader when it came to negotiating foreign policy, but the Soviet Union was already on its way out.
Carter won in 2002, many years after leaving office, and he has been working tirelessly the whole time since leaving office to promote peace and human development.
Wilson thought up the League of Nations, the forerunner of the United Nations.
Well in 2002 Reagan was still alive and for Wilson's 1919 prize, there really isn't any other presidential contender other than Teddy who already won, so I guess Wilson just shouldn't have got the prize in the first place
Was Reagan working as much as Carter after leaving office toward world peace? No. And you're saying that the prize should not have been awarded in 1919 because you dislike Wilson?
It's not that I just dislike Wilson, he was not a good person or president. He enacted many Jim Crow laws such as segregation in government workplaces while he was president.
It's no secret that Wilson was a racist, but he wasn't given the Nobel for his views on racial equity or for his achievements as US president, it was because he was the leading architect of the League of Nations, an organization dedicated to preserving world peace. He deserved it.
Well here's the thing. When it was announced that he had won the prize, EVERYBODY was shocked. It was in the fall of 2009, and he wasn't even a year into his first term. He hadn't done anything worthy of the prize at that point. But the bigger controversy was this: the final date for all nominations that year was 11 days after his inauguration. Even Obama said he didn't deserve it (though he accepted it nonetheless). In 2015 when asked, the Nobel Secretary said he deeply regretted giving the award to Obama.
Roosevelt got it for helping end the Russo-Japanese War, which makes sense to me. Wilson wasn't great as a person, but he got it for making the League of Nations, which was a noble (no pun intended!) endeavor, even if it didn't really do much.
So yeah, I'd say most of them deserve it, just not Obama. Although at the very least, he deserves it more than Henry Kissinger and Yasser Arafat.
I don’t even know where to begin with that one...
I'm not trying to let Obama or Trump off easy--both of them gave aid to a country that actively committed war crimes in Yemen, which is really not acceptable at all (although I am pleased with Biden's attempts to emphasize human rights in his foreign policy more, which includes ending support for the Saudi coalition). It's wrong to call either of them actively genocidal though.
Trump is putting an end to this war bs. "It is not our job to replace regimes around the world."
I could care less if a president wins that prize. It isn't a measure of success as the president of the United States of America.
Wilson thought up the League of Nations, the forerunner of the United Nations.
Who do you think should have won?
Agreed that Carter won for his post-presidential work. He has arguably had the most successful and beneficial post-presidency of any of the others.
BTW, it's a shame that Hinckley didn't aim more carefully.