i have to disagree about prostitute being brought up as the oldest profession. A prostitute accepts pay for performing sexual services. While I'm sure that a caveman offering a haunch of dead something helped his chances with a cavewoman this isn't true payment or even a profession. Prostitution as it is commonly know couldn't have exited until humanity moved past the hunter-gatherer stage and started to become more agricultural. You would need a large community of people with a fair amount of surplus before services like prostitution could become a way to fully support oneself and therefore become a profession. I'd say that hunter-gatherer is realistically the oldest profession. Wow, I put way too much thought into this :)
The concepts of wealth, property, and being able to pay for things because you had so much of one thing that you could spare a little to get something else... all did not exist prior to farming and agriculture which marked the shift from pure subsistence living to something akin to civilization. So, necessarily, farmer predates all other professions if you're going to define profession as something you're paid to do. But hunter/gatherer I guess could be labeled the first "occupation"- as this is what occupied pretty much 100% of our time before 12,000 years ago.
Great idea for a quiz. But Butler is definitely not correct -- in the Middle Ages the butler was the person in charge of 'butts of beer' -- nothing to do with managing servants (this is a much later definition). Please change it to House Steward or House Keeper or something more suitable. If you feel like expanding your quiz, you could add scullion, scribe, armorer, spinster, potter, marshal, knight, squire, herbalist, fletcher (made bows and arrows), carpenter, barber (they cut hair as well as did dentistry and some surgery)....
I'm pretty sure this use of bard is incorrect. You mean a minstrel. Bards are only like that in fantasy. Historically, bards were Celtic poets and the name also gets applied to Homer and Shakespeare. They didn't travel around singing in medieval times.
Cool I didnt know that, I see it now (in most if not all germanic languages besides english a variation of - mid is still used for "with": mit, met, med, með )
Most professions were male in medieval times, and you don't feel the need to append "(male)" to them all. The word "midwife" has absolutely no meaning of being male or female, as a matter of fact, so it is incorrect to state "(female)" above. In fact it is a bit offensive that a predominantly female profession should be marked as an oddity, while a predominantly male profession raises no eyebrows.
Absolutely many still exist, and I think people who work in these professions would be insulted to hear their skills referred to as being from the Middle Ages.
I find the description for "alchemist" a bit worrysome. For all the others it's what they actually do. For alchemist it is what they are trying to do. No alchemist ever succeeded in turning base metals into gold, it's just not possible.
I disagree. Whilst it's obviously true that alchemists never discovered how to turn base metals into gold (along with creating a panacea or achieving immortality), they did make pretty significant strides in other fields, namely chemistry, philosophy and medicine. They were well funded by the elite and even the state in some cases, and were certainly considered to be legitimate professionals at the time. In fact, the view that these people were fraudsters probably only arose around the 18th Century with the rise of modern science.
Vin Baker, Tyshawn Taylor, Reggie Miller, Anthony Mason, Corey Brewer, Michael Cooper, Otto Porter, Jimmy Butler, Tyson Chandler, and Adam Wainwright are just some professional athletes I can name off the top of my head.
Kind of. A ship's chandler specialises in equipment for ships - including ropes and twines, as well as lots of other things such as tools and oils – so above and beyond the wax, candles and soap a traditional chandler would deal with.
? Not sure where it appears in the quiz, but the meaning is "the" and the pronunciation is "the", exactly as we say "the" in current English. The thorn or Y shape was the symbol for the sound we make for 'th' in the.
When I initially read the clue on "Milks cows (female)" I thought, "Cf course female cows! Good lord, what a truly awful job it would be to 'milk' male cows!"
My Mum's heating system struck a leak and it was discovered, during its replacement, that the pipes supplying her home were still lead! Eeek so the street was also dug up to replace those. This was in 2019. Plumbers are still finding lead to work with.
Maybe add a note to the description that the professions *began* in the middle-ages. I was expected to guess older, now-gone professions, but a bunch of these still exist.
Given that a baker will only earn money if he makes and sells bread, and a cooper will only make money if he makes and sells barrels, should alchemist (as it is described here) be considered an actual profession?
While some might have been sponsored, I actually see it more as a hobby than an occuption. I can't really picture them "clocking in " in the morning and getting in trouble if they weren't on time. ;)
The problem is in the title, 'You Old Professions' doesn't make sense. The 'Y' in the 'ye' should be the Runic Thorne if you want to make the /th/ sound. Just saying....
The title is fine. The symbol for the letter "thorn", which looked much like a "p" with an extended top, was rendered as "y" by early printers. This pretty much sealed thorn's fate of eventually becoming an archaic letter.
A midwife doesn't have to be female. The 'wife' part refers to the woman giving birth, not the person assisting. In olde worldy terms it just means "with woman".
no modiste? for female dressmakers? ....ohm wait. are you saying they make dresses for females? or are they females that make dresses? or... am I just wrong? ... no it is you. can you accept it pls?
In 1800s London, a lot of shoes were custom made by cordswainers. My family were cordswainers, also known as shoemakers. Being called a cobbler was an insult, as they merely fix shoes.
I was completely stumped on the Milk Maid one. I put in Dairy Maid multiple times, because I couldn't figure out why it wasn't being accepted. Could Dairy Maid possibly be accepted as an alternative?
Question: could "bricklayer" be an acceptable answer for "one who builds with brick or stone", or was that term not yet used in the Middle Ages? (if not then understandable).
Similar question for "bellhop" (one who carries luggage) - I'm not sure when that term became used so maybe it was only after the Middle Ages.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ostler
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drives a team of animals = herdsman
Question: could "bricklayer" be an acceptable answer for "one who builds with brick or stone", or was that term not yet used in the Middle Ages? (if not then understandable).
Similar question for "bellhop" (one who carries luggage) - I'm not sure when that term became used so maybe it was only after the Middle Ages.
Just asking, thanks!