I think this has a lot more to do with the main types of employment in a state than political leanings. In a state where, say, mining or farming are a major source of income, people may be less inclined to seek out formal higher education. In a state like Utah, for example (which is VERY red), there is a large info. tech. sector and the majority of adults have a four year degree.
To add to this, high tech jobs typically attract more liberal people vs manufacturing or mining which mainly attract conservative people. There are some exceptions like Utah though.
I would speculate (as I am far from an expert) that non-urban poverty has more to do with it. That's why I guessed the "poor" southern states (as opposed to say Texas, Florida), and also why I guessed states like Wyoming, Nevada, Oklahoma, and New Mexico (that last one obviously didn't work).
That is true. But it really doesn't have much to do with politics. Like my state of West Virginia. We dig coal, it's our culture really. Our grandfathers did it and we still have a passion for it today. West Virginia in itself is just full of rough and tough people, who would rather risk their life going into a mine shaft than to go to school for 4 years. It's been like that since people first settled WV and it hasn't changed much since lol. We even still run illegal shine. That is, I will say for the people that stay. West Virginia I would argue is only at the top of this list is because for the most part the people who get educated leave. Raised here, got their education and left to the Carolinas. Because there is hardly any work here. People seek a better life and good jobs. And yeah, that happens in other states. But not on the level as WV. WV is known for people leaving. We top the nation. Eventually they come back and retire here, why WV is a retirement state too.
And I appreciate all who choose careers like coal mining. Without coal a good chunk of our country would be without power. There are many non-college professions that are absolutely essential to our way of life.
West Virginia broke away from Virginia in 1863 over the Civil War and slavery--the mostly mountainous counties in WV had no use for a slave economy and wanted to remain part of the Union.
The biggest geographical contrast in Virginia is between Northern Virginia (the DC suburbs) and the rest of the state. Though politically this area is similar to Richmond and the Virginia Beach area.
As Dwight from The Office would say: false. Red has nothing to do with it. Most of these states are red, but most red states are not uneducated. There isn't a single East Coast state or Midwestern state in this list, to illustrate my point, even though the East Coast is generally more and more red the further south you go, and the Midwest is almost entirely red. There isn't a significant difference between the education level of the average New Yorker, for example, than the average North Carolinian or Georgian. The Southern states that were the most devastated by the Civil War have never fully recovered economically, and it's this lack of wealth that has led to a dearth in education (I'm from VA, btw)
What? Indiana is on the list. Most Midwestern states are either blue or swing states with the exception of, wait for it, Indiana. The only state on this list that didn't vote for Trump is Nevada.
Per the same study, here's a list of the 10 most educated states by % w/bachelor's degree. Guess which way they voted:
10. Minnesota
9. New York
8. New Hampshire
7. Vermont
6. Virginia
5. New Jersey
4. Connecticut
3. Maryland
2. Colorado
1. Massachusetts.
South Carolina, an East Coast state, ranks 39th. Wyoming, a deep red state in the West, ranks 40th; just outside of this bottom 10 list. New York is 9th, Georgia is 24th, NC is 26th.
Of the 20 best educated states by this measure, 3 voted for Trump - Kansas at 16, Utah at 15, and Texas at 20th. Of the 20 least educated, only 2 (Nevada and New Mexico, which had large populations turned off by his racism) did not vote for Trump.
Indiana wasn't on the list when I made the comment. Must have been updated since then. And no, you're wrong about Midwestern states not voting for Trump. He actually carried the majority of Midwestern states by a considerable margin. It is true that blue-collar non-union workers tend to vote Republican. Union members on the other hand tend to vote Democrat. West Virginia, the least educated state in the US, has always been a solid blue state until recently, because of coal miners' unions. When Hillary was ignorant and out-of-touch enough to actually go to WV and say "We're going to bankrupt the coal industry!" during her campaign, you can see why they ended up voting for Trump even though a lot of them voted for Obama. Remember that a significant number of Obama voters (9.2% according to a study by the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group) voted for Trump in 2016. According to the same study, a total of around 13% of Trump voters had voted for Obama in 2012.
I beg to differ on that. The Midwest tends to vote blue i.e. Wisc., Minn., Mich. Ill. Even Iowa will vote blue at times. They go in spurts because half the state is red on the west and half is blue on the east. As for the East coast tends to turn red as you go south is also changing. I grew up in Iowa so know quite a bit of that landscape and now live in Virginia. NC and Georgia are slowly becoming blue and Virginia is already there. Virginia is like Iowa the west half is red and east half is mostly blue but Va. has such a population disparity with most on the coast they are trending to stay blue for a long time. Now you can say with the snowbirds from the Midwest now staying permanently in FL, you can say they are no longer a swing state and are red. As for NC and GA they have slowly been trending blue each election. GA finally broke the blue column with Trump and NC isn't far behind. These state except for VA tend to have red state legislatures because most of the populations are
because most of the populations for blue are centered closely in a few areas where as red voters are spread out which gives them control because they have more counties.
This is a pretty simple answer guys. There’s a correlation between not having college education and voting republican, regardless what state you live in. So education determines how you vote, and economy and culture determine whether you get educated or not.
West Virginia would more accurately have been described as a swing state throughout the bulk of the 20th century. But, taking into account that WV is the only state to have fairly consistently shrunk in population since the 1950's, there is likely a demographic explanation for why the state has voted Republican since 2000. In 2020, the idea was further confirmed by demographic data: the strongest correlation with voting Republican was religion, but the second strongest correlation was education level (with inverse correlation, i.e., the more education someone had, the less likely they were to vote Republican). That's not to say that any particular correlation was anything certain. It's just that college education made about 33% less likely for someone to vote for a Republican ticket.
Where did you get that information from? West Virginia has been a stronghold for Republican presidential candidates since the 2000 Presidential elections. All of West Virginia's house members, as well as the State Governor, are Republicans.
Wow, this is too rich. First he makes an objective statement, then when he's called out on it for it being false, he backtracks and excuses himself by relativizing the topic and saying things are more nuanced, then proceeds to link a webpage that directly objectively contradicts him. Quote from that page (pay attention to the last sentence): "Primarily Republican from 1900 until the Great Depression, the state was then reliably Democratic, with few exceptions through Bill Clinton's 2nd election in 1996. Since then, the state has become solidly Republican, with that party winning by an increasing margin in each election from 2000 through 2016". Good job. Keep on not letting reality bother your illusionary world. Fake news indeed.
Remember, a pretty decent percentage of Kansas' population is in Wichita or the Kansas City metro- both areas with pretty high education levels. In Nebraska, a little over a third of the population is in the Omaha metro area, and a decent chunk is also in the Lincoln area. While both of these states are very rural in terms of space, the people are highly concentrated. Alaska (where the overwhelming majority of people are in the Anchorage area), Idaho (where most people are in the Boise area), and Nevada (literally 2/3's of the state is in the county with Las Vegas) are in a similar boat.
Farming is really scientific these days and many farmers go to ag schools. A lot of the universities with "state" in their name have significant agriculture programs (eg, Ohio State, Iowa State, Washington State).
It's the other way around... It's people in the areas left behind, often through no fault of their own, that are more susceptible to the Republican ideology.
I just started typing the stereotypical states where the population is generally disadvantaged. There was an article about Mississippi on the BBC newssite just this week, so that was my first guess.
And most of the southern states were solidly democratic at the state government level until 2010!
Kentucky, until 2016, had the only county in the country that had never voted republican until Trump came along (and no, it is not the county with Louisville or Lexington), and was the last southern state with a Democratic state house.
Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, West Virginia and Arkansas are among the most ancestorly (sp?) Democratic states in the country.
Not completely. There are more religious states (i.e. Utah). There is definitely a correlation between the 2, but in some states people are sane enough in this polarized country to realize that one can follow an academic pathway in life while maintaining religion as a part of themselves.
I think it says something about the gentrification of college campuses that my home state of Indiana is internationally very well-known for its colleges (IU, Purdue, Notre Dame, etc.), yet relatively few of those degrees actually go to Hoosiers. Either that, or in-state students move away once they get a degree, which in that case I wouldn't blame them, LOL.
Eventually, you just need to look reality in the mouth. You can come up with every weird rationalization for why these states have lesser accomplishments, but the writing is on the wall. The American Bible Belt is, at least at the top governmental levels, an embarrassment. It prioritizes religion and football over progress and education. As long as that happens, people will have plenty of pejorative things to say about it. And they won't be wrong.
True. But it's just as epistemically weak/suspect to believe that simply by refuting causation all correlation should be written off as information bias that lacks probative value.
The numbers have crept up a bit since the last iteration of this quiz. Personally, I'm not of the opinion that college education is an unalloyed good. If current trends continue, nearly everyone will have a college degree, yet the average person will be just as ignorant. Standards are already shockingly low, even at top universities. And of course the cost is ludicrous.
^ I agree. My four years of University in the US taught me nothing (save a more in depth study of American History, and American pronunciations) that I hadn't already learned at the equivalent of a US Junior College in the Netherlands. What a shame! In our parents' generation a high school education in the US was the equivalent of a college degree. It allowed them to function at a higher level than bachelor degree holders today. That's why so many of us have to opt for post-graduate degrees... to actually learn something useful.
There's a certain point where I think there's no way to make the majority of the population more skilled/knowledgeable, no matter how much you change the education system. Most people only have a certain capacity to remember old facts while learning new ones. I'm not necessarily saying this as an insult, it's just that the human brain can't retain that much information over a long time.
That being said, if we focused more on teaching valuable, important things in a child's formative years, they'll be more likely to remember it. I think that reforming the education system in primary school to high school would have a more significant impact in reducing ignorance levels than reforming it in college.
Not having a college degree does not mean you are uneducated. Most people who do tough work like mining, building a house or maintenance do not have a college degree. Not because they are not smart enough but because money and I bet most college kids could not screw a wheel on a car.
So the first 12 years of school don't count at all as education? If you graduate high school, of course you are educated...there are different levels of education, and different ways to educate oneself. You don't have to have a four year degree from a traditional university to call yourself educated. Of course you are right that educated and intelligent are not the same thing.
Phil is not correct. How many professors' classes have you sat in on? What you describe is not my experience at all. I have studied under, TAed for, and known socially many professors. None of them--not one--grades students based on "parroting." They don't want you to be an echo canyon. They want you to articulate your position in a way that shows an understanding of the material. I've received some very high grades from professors who disagreed with the views I espoused, because they could tell I understand the material.
And I'd add that this hysteria about "no diversity of opinion" in academia focuses entirely on a sliver of the social sciences. The hard sciences are not about "diversity of opinion." Physics is physics. The professor is not evaluating your opinions on scalar vs. vector quantities. He wants to see that you understand the difference. People in the common discourse act like every college professor teaches Gender Studies. This simply isn't so. Most courses are not about waxing philosophical. They are about mastering difficult concepts about which there is already an authoritative consensus.
Doesn't surprise me that many of the states are southern where in many cases they aren't even allowed to teach about evolution etc. Also most on the list voted for Trump. 'Nuff said right there frankly. Even not making the list is no great feat given how low America scores in international rankings about education. Maybe if they stopped teaching to a standardized test and focused more on critical thinking skills, they'd be better off.
Living in a midwest state and previously living in metropolitans, I know that this way of comparing education is severely flawed. Most jobs in the midwest/south are manufacturing and agriculture, to which almost none get a bachelor's degree. Most jobs are trade-oriented, meaning that at most you would go and seek an associate's degree, go to a trade school, or get taught on the job. Furthermore, the majority of rural associate's degrees require very few general education credits. IE: Why would a farmer need to know Beer's law? You can make an association that the more rural the state, the more specialized their education is. A much better metric for calculating education would be to compare higher-education capacity, availability, and trade certificates per population. Education has nothing to do with race, politics, or intelligence, but with everything aforementioned.
Years ago, my brother worked at Ciba-Geigy, which became Novartis. He worked in a department of about 12 people and was the only one there without a college degree. When his boss was away, he was the only one in the group who could run the department. Several of them couldn't even be trusted to simply file things alphabetically. By this quiz's standard, they were all "more educated" and my brother was the "least educated".
People here really zooming in on some connection with 'political party I hate' and treat it as though there's only people with four-year degrees and complete dumbarses and no in-between
Per the same study, here's a list of the 10 most educated states by % w/bachelor's degree. Guess which way they voted:
10. Minnesota
9. New York
8. New Hampshire
7. Vermont
6. Virginia
5. New Jersey
4. Connecticut
3. Maryland
2. Colorado
1. Massachusetts.
South Carolina, an East Coast state, ranks 39th. Wyoming, a deep red state in the West, ranks 40th; just outside of this bottom 10 list. New York is 9th, Georgia is 24th, NC is 26th.
Of the 20 best educated states by this measure, 3 voted for Trump - Kansas at 16, Utah at 15, and Texas at 20th. Of the 20 least educated, only 2 (Nevada and New Mexico, which had large populations turned off by his racism) did not vote for Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_educational_attainment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama-Trump_voters
https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/
https://www.270towin.com/states/West_Virginia
Conservative + educated. Think prairie home companion and you're close.
Kentucky, until 2016, had the only county in the country that had never voted republican until Trump came along (and no, it is not the county with Louisville or Lexington), and was the last southern state with a Democratic state house.
Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, West Virginia and Arkansas are among the most ancestorly (sp?) Democratic states in the country.
Total coincidence.
That being said, if we focused more on teaching valuable, important things in a child's formative years, they'll be more likely to remember it. I think that reforming the education system in primary school to high school would have a more significant impact in reducing ignorance levels than reforming it in college.