As a Turkish person, I always forget Turkey in Asia segment. Yeah, I know Turkey is classified as an Asian nation in JetPunk but in sports competitions and other cultural events It generally lays in Europe.
This is wear Jetpunk's inisistence that Turkey is treated as an Asian country falls down. To pick just three Olympic sports at random - Turkey competes in the official European Championships for athletics, swimming and wrestling.
It feels European/ like a neighbour ;) just like Canada.
We should tow them over, Canada can be another scandinavian country and Australia can go off the coast of France/Spain (yes I know, that is not the normal Lattitude, but this isn't real anyway).
I ended up going to the "true size of" website and dragged some countries around. Quite please with the setup up I ended up with. Was fun to do :)
Well at first it was supposed to be a one time thing that they competed as a special guest for the 60th contest so their circumstances are a bit different in this regard and not comparable to the european olympic comittee or whatever it is called
What? How is Turkey geographically Europe? Eastern Thrace is, but that's only a small part of their land and population. Anatolia is completelly in Asia by pretty much every definition of Europe
A nice, non-political quiz. My non-political comment is that it's time those Pacific island nations (New Zealand excepted) started winning a few more medals.
Lack of government investment in Olympic sport, focus on other sports/cultural activity, talented athletes having a lack of time and resources to train and compete...
Because success at the Olympics has almost nothing at all to do with population or the size of your country which is why looking at per-capita figures is nonsensical. Nigeria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Vietnam, the Philippines, the Democratic Republic of Congo, etc also have virtually no presence at the Olympic games. It's much more about economics, physical geography (hard to get a ski jumping team going in Namibia), politics (how interested a country is in the Olympics, how much support the government gives to its athletes), athletic tradition, and competitive spirit than population. Also a bit to do with genetics (a big part of why Kenya shows up here). Population doesn't start being a factor until you look at some micronations.
Well, it's debatable... Having more people also mean you have more athletes to choose from, more genetic diversity, more competition inside your country... Big olympic nations tend to have a big population (China, USA, Japan, France, Germany...).
It's not the only factor certainly, but going as far as saying it's a non factor is a bit much
It's really not debatable. The statistics do not support your (isdaril) opinion at all, while they lend enormous weight to my own. It's only a factor, like I said, with micronations where there just aren't enough people to find enough skilled athletes to field a team. I think the primary reason people want to believe it is a factor is so that they can dismiss the huge number of medals that the USA has gotten as some kind of irrelevant fluke of demography... but... these people are ignorant, biased, and wrong and the numbers bear this out very clearly.
Also I said "almost nothing" not "nothing"... the stats suggest "almost nothing" is accurate.
I am curious which study you are referring towards
* https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=nl&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=factors+that+determine+the+amount+of+medals&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1723586626724&u=%23p%3DBYFAMksSN-MJ this one maybe?
* https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=factors+that+determine+the+amount+of+medals&hl=nl&as_sdt=0,5#d=gs_qabs&t=1723587057399&u=%23p%3D-4PN2zDQpK4J maybe this one?
Hmm thats weird both describe population as being a real factor of course they also say other factors are important but maybe i am reading the wrong studies. Sorry if that is the case
“A good big man always beats a good little man”. Same is true for countries with a big population and a strong Olympic program versus a country that also has a strong Olympic program, but has a small population
Some truth in this, look at Australia where the main sport is Australian Rules Football (a mixture of rugby, football and basketball played with a rugby ball). If the younger population of Australia was to play other world-wide sports instead of Aussie Rules they would win many more medals at Olympics.
I think India will improve in the future--it's not unheard of it. Case in point: Brazil. For most of history they haven't had much of a presence at the Olympics, but in the past decade they've improved significantly, coming in 12th in Tokyo (just behind Canada). I think growing interest in the games and the development of better sports infrastructure (especially due to the fact they hosted in 2016) helped with this.
From what I've heard, India is taking more interest in the Olympics now, and as they become more developed, I think their sports infrastructure will improve. I'm not sure we'll ever see India on the level of China or America, but I could see them being the next "Brazil."
Just saying, it’s Capital is in Asia, most of it’s area is in Asia, most of the population is in Asia and they are culturally Asian. You MIGHT consider it historically European due to Constantinople, but this is nothing to do with History.
Really wish I'd read the caveat. I couldn't figure out which European country I was missing that was number one. Sigh. (It finally dawned on me it must be a former country as time was running out, but unfortunately West Germany was the first one that came to mind.)
What's the policy on why West Germany and Germany are put together (but not East Germany?) while USSR and current-day Russia don't have their totals combined?
Exactly. Some quizzes used to count both separately, but now, jetpunk seems to have come to the right conclusion - maybe my relentless and passionate arguing has in a small way contributed to this change (or maybe my insufferable comments have actually delayed it, who knows). Anyway, cool quiz!
to be honest- I feel kind of sad for the East German athletes who competed so hard and so professionally but now can not be part of the German count but rather have to be part of a ghost team doomed to slowly fall down until their dedication and hard work is forgotten forever; sort of like the whole reunification, which was overall great news for Germany but rushed too much to incorporate the good sides of the DDR and form a more sustainable structure for both states as equals rather than directly annexing.
Really? If modern drug testing technology was available when East Germany was an independent country they would have won exactly zero medals due to disqualification. East Germany athletes were systemically doped harder than the Soviets/Russians.
It goes to show the massive imbalance between medals given out at Summer Olympics versus Winter Olympics. Norway has more winter olympic medals than any country in the WORLD, but don't even crack the top 5 of EUROPE when summer and winter are added together.
I enjoy watching arguments about which continent Turkey and Israel belong to.
As for Australians, we also find it amusing that we have been included in Eurovision, and know that we will never actually be permitted to win. Hell, we may only be there so that the Europeans have another nation to give a vote to instead of the U.K.
What a strange way of dividing up countries! The five olympic rings symbolize the continents of America, Asia, Africa, Europe and Oceania. What is this pish-posh about North and South America? Poppycock!
We should tow them over, Canada can be another scandinavian country and Australia can go off the coast of France/Spain (yes I know, that is not the normal Lattitude, but this isn't real anyway).
I ended up going to the "true size of" website and dragged some countries around. Quite please with the setup up I ended up with. Was fun to do :)
It's not the only factor certainly, but going as far as saying it's a non factor is a bit much
Also I said "almost nothing" not "nothing"... the stats suggest "almost nothing" is accurate.
* https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=nl&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=factors+that+determine+the+amount+of+medals&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1723586626724&u=%23p%3DBYFAMksSN-MJ this one maybe?
* https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=factors+that+determine+the+amount+of+medals&hl=nl&as_sdt=0,5#d=gs_qabs&t=1723587057399&u=%23p%3D-4PN2zDQpK4J maybe this one?
Hmm thats weird both describe population as being a real factor of course they also say other factors are important but maybe i am reading the wrong studies. Sorry if that is the case
From what I've heard, India is taking more interest in the Olympics now, and as they become more developed, I think their sports infrastructure will improve. I'm not sure we'll ever see India on the level of China or America, but I could see them being the next "Brazil."
I'd suggest, replace it with a country that competes in Asian games, not European games.
Thanks
As for Australians, we also find it amusing that we have been included in Eurovision, and know that we will never actually be permitted to win. Hell, we may only be there so that the Europeans have another nation to give a vote to instead of the U.K.
Samoa won its sole medal in Weightlifting in Beijing 2008.
Tonga won its sole medal in Boxing in Atlanta 1996.