Italy has lost people every year since around 2014.
Germany is a more complicated case. But according to the UN, the country reached a peak of 83.4 million people in 2022 and has lost about 100,000 residents since then.
And anyway, like you said, even if they were still increasing, it wouldn't remain the case for more than a few years.
And I'm quite sure that Germany and Italy are still gaining population. Though not for long.
Germany is a more complicated case. But according to the UN, the country reached a peak of 83.4 million people in 2022 and has lost about 100,000 residents since then.
And anyway, like you said, even if they were still increasing, it wouldn't remain the case for more than a few years.