We made a map of all the countries that are historically considered to be part of Eastern Europe. Fill in the map by clicking each highlighted country.
I understand the Cold War and Iron Curtain politics of the countries on the map, but it seems ironic that Greece is a western European country that is east of the borders of eastern European countries.
Finland is also considered western European, yet wholly to the east of e.g. Slovenia. And given Finland's history with Russia, some countries considered eastern European might think they had at least equal right to be considered western.
Well, Slovenia is part of central Europe, so the fact that Finland is more to the east, is irrelevant. And, as the quiz is based on the cold war, I don't understand what former yugoslavic countries are even doing here, as Yugoslavia was never aligned with Soviet Union.
Greece is the model for Roman thought and the Western European culture, i.e. Greece is the cradle of “the west”. If Greece is not considered in Western Europe, this whole structure crumbles.
Going by the traditional rules, yes. Russia conquered Crimea, and the people of Crimea agreed to become a part of Russia. We may not like it but that doesn't change the fact that Crimea is definitely under Russian control.
Is it considered an overseas territory like Greenland of Gibraltar, or a de facto part of Russia? I think right now it's murky because the international community including the United Nations, do not recognize the annexation.
Well, saying they "agreed" is a huge overstatement, the "election" or "poll" was controlled by Russia, and I furthermore heard that they had like 2 options int he first place, that being either become part of Russia or become independent, so staying part of Ukraine wasn't an option in the first place.
This map quiz will help me so much. The Eastern European part I got down but I always struggle with the Western European area below Poland with a few excpetions because I've been there or I'm interested in them.
I've been to every one of these countries; lived in several; lots of memories in others, good and bad. In my opinion best ones to spend time in: 1. Russia 2. Romania 3. Ukraine 4. Czechia 5. Albania 6. Poland 7. Croatia 8. Montenegro 9. Hungary 10. Estonia 11. Slovenia 12. Belarus 13. Slovakia 14. Bulgaria 15. Bosnia 16. Kosovo 17. Lithuania 18. Macedonia 19. Latvia 20. Moldova 21. Serbia
Interesting, since I've never been to any of them, although my parents made a farm tour of Europe and the Soviet Union in the 1970s and they considered it the trip of their lifetime. What criteria do you use for ranking them? (I think you once said the quality of nightlife and singles scenes are important to you so I'm guessing your rankings have little to do with their farming methods.) :)
I did no agro-tourism during the years I spent here; so, yes, that might result in different rankings. :D
Scanning my list, things that jump to mind that led to high/low rankings:
1. my experience with locals, including women I was involved with. This includes everything from how rude or friendly the average person was on the street to the quality of relationships I formed both friendly and romantic, long and short, and the ease with which I could form them. 2. food. 3. history. 4. architecture/civic beauty. 5. quality of museums. 6. infrastructure. 7. how far my dollars would stretch. 8. attractiveness of local women 9. experience with crime (though this seems to not be a significant factor, as I was assaulted and hospitalized in Ukraine but I think at worst I moved them down a single place in the rankings because of this). 10. weather 11. natural beauty & topography. 12. how often my car was stolen by corrupt local police 13... ambience? just... feelings
I also value unique cultural or touristic experiences. I had some of those in some of these places and I'm sure this influenced my personal rankings as well. In places where there is little interesting to do and I felt bored I ranked them lower.
I don't spend much time engaging in "nightlife" anymore. I did this more when I was in SE Asia ten years ago. I visited some clubs and nightlife hangouts in Romania, Greece, Bulgaria, Poland, Bosnia, maybe some other places, but it's not really my thing and I didn't add or dock anyone points based on my experiences in those places, which were pretty similar.
I don't appreciate seeing my country being completely considered as a part of the north sea between France and the Netherlands here... #Belgiumrepresent
I appreciate that when the leaders of the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) were naming their respective countries, that they took the time and consideration of others and named them alphabetically from North to South. 21/21 :-)
For an even shorter one, try Europe in 1920. That would make a good new series - continental maps from earlier eras. Great quiz, Pinocchio, even though I scored zero points my first time through. It's hard getting that map from 1960s high school geography out of my head, but I keep trying.
By the odd and narrow definition you are using, perhaps. I'm not even sure what a Balte country is. I tried looking it up and came up with a city in Bosnia. Is Bosnia in a category all by itself?
If you divide Europe in to West and East, as it often is and historically has been, all of these countries would be grouped in to Eastern Europe. In addition to being farther East geographically than other European countries minus Finland and Greece, they were also countries behind the so-called "Iron Curtain" and they share certain historical, economic, political and cultural similarities because of this. They are also different in many ways but that's missing the point. If Europe is Western Europe and Eastern Europe, this is Eastern Europe. If you want to further subdivide the continent then you would come up with different categorizations.
Yugoslavia and Albania were in a grey area. They were originally backed by the Soviets and Communist. Later they tried to assert their independence and neutrality and adopt some aspects of a market economy; Yugoslavia in the late 40s and Albania in the 60s. The term "iron curtain" was famously used by Winston Churchill in 1946, and by the Germans even before World War 2. At that time Yugoslavia would definitely have been included with the countries behind it. Quoted from Churchill's famous speech:
"Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe. Warsaw, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia; all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere"
anit: but he said "Balkan or Balte" implying they were two different things.
re: how long these countries will be categorized this way? For as long as they continue to share certain historical, economic, political, and cultural similarities, and as long as we continue using the same compass to determine where East and West are. In other words certainly today, and on in to the foreseeable future.
It is very obvious he meant baltic with balte. And balkan and baltic ARE two different things. so @kalbahamut was either playing dumb or misread it/got em mixed up.
And as for how long. How long are certain countries going to be considered to have been part of the allies or axis... the WWII only lasted about 6 years... how long will they be categorized like that?? Well just because things have moved on, that doesnt mean that facts from the past will change. No matter how shortlived a certain fact was the case.
These countries were considered to be eastern europe.
That is like saying norway and sweden arent part of europe because they are part of scandinavia, or thatclaiming that something is ionian/ aegean sea and therefore not (in) the mediterranean sea.. (well I ve seen enough people claiming that on quizzes actually..)
But like kalbahamut said. This is how they were originally divided, so arguments that they were also part of something else or perhaps geogrpahically more east or west are invalid.
There are parts of north korea that are more south than certain parts of south korea. But that doesnt change the name
How is Bulgaria not part of the Balkans when that's where the majority of the Balkan range lies?! Also, why does being in the Balkans mean not part of Eastern Europe?! Is an elephant not an animal because it's a mammal?!
Half of them countries are not anywhere near eastern Europe. Considering different sources centre of Europe would be in either eastern Poland, Latvia or Belarus, so even if we take the most western centre of Europe which would be east of Poland it still means that Poland is central European with most of territory closer to the west than east of Europe. So Czech Republic for example is not even touching eastern part of Europe
Belarus is the center of Europe? So the only country in Eastern Europe is Russia? That's just dumb. Why don't we just name Japan Eastern Europe, and Siberia can be Central Europe, so all these Eastern European countries can call themselves Western Europe and feel better about themselves.
None of this is about the geographic center or eastern part of europe.. It is about what has been historically called eastern europe.. How is that so hard to understand..
That makes as much sense as saying colombia and venezuala arent part of south america because they are (mostly) above the equator... Or that virginia stretches more west than west virginia so they should swap names.
Actually Russia is so big, that if you will take the border between Europe/Asia in Uralic mountains then Geographicsl center of the Europe will be in Western Ukraine 😀
Czech Republic didn't "change" its name, it just officially accepts Czechia as well as Czech Republic, as a short English name. You can still call it Czech Republic and be correct.
You can hundred years arguing which country belong to which region. For example Ukraine (different regions) can be considered Eastern, Northern, Southern and Central Europe at the same time
Well, geographically speaking, Belarus, Ukraine and Russia are the only countries in eastern Europe since the center of Europe is in eastern Lithuania.
Is the definition of Eastern Europe also influenced by language? Most countries considered as Eastern European in this quiz use Balto-Slavic languages.
Hungary is geographically distant to other countries where Finno-Ugric languages are spoken. And Romania and Moldova are geographically distant from Romance languages. These nations are enclaves within a Balto-Slavic region.
Greek and Albanian are independent branches of Indo-European, so they could easily be included or excluded. The only issue appears to be Estonia v Finland - including the former and excluding the latter.
It’s a definition by “geographically European countries who were under communist rule until communism collapsed”, which was the implicit meaning of “Eastern Europe” in that era. If East Germany would still be a independent today, it would be in this map, as well as Finland if the Soviets had captured it in the Winter War and Greece of the Communists had succeeded in their revolution attempt.
This quiz is based on the Cold War (although technically Yugoslavia [modern-day Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, North Macedonia and Slovenia] was Non-Aligned).
Eastern Europe here is obviously by the meaning that was prevalent up until the early ‘90s: All European countries that are under a Communist autocratic rule. That’s why Greece and Finland were always excluded, while they would have been included without a thought if USSR had managed to conquer Finland or if the communists succeeded in taking over Greece.
It’s also clear that most people from these countries who are offended by it feel that way because they also think that “Eastern Europe” brings to mind communist-era dilapidated building blocks and stunted governments, rather than a geographically-accurate description.
Scanning my list, things that jump to mind that led to high/low rankings:
1. my experience with locals, including women I was involved with. This includes everything from how rude or friendly the average person was on the street to the quality of relationships I formed both friendly and romantic, long and short, and the ease with which I could form them. 2. food. 3. history. 4. architecture/civic beauty. 5. quality of museums. 6. infrastructure. 7. how far my dollars would stretch. 8. attractiveness of local women 9. experience with crime (though this seems to not be a significant factor, as I was assaulted and hospitalized in Ukraine but I think at worst I moved them down a single place in the rankings because of this). 10. weather 11. natural beauty & topography. 12. how often my car was stolen by corrupt local police 13... ambience? just... feelings
If you divide Europe in to West and East, as it often is and historically has been, all of these countries would be grouped in to Eastern Europe. In addition to being farther East geographically than other European countries minus Finland and Greece, they were also countries behind the so-called "Iron Curtain" and they share certain historical, economic, political and cultural similarities because of this. They are also different in many ways but that's missing the point. If Europe is Western Europe and Eastern Europe, this is Eastern Europe. If you want to further subdivide the continent then you would come up with different categorizations.
"Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe. Warsaw, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia; all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere"
How long will it stay relevant to categorize them as Eastern only because of that short part of their history?
re: how long these countries will be categorized this way? For as long as they continue to share certain historical, economic, political, and cultural similarities, and as long as we continue using the same compass to determine where East and West are. In other words certainly today, and on in to the foreseeable future.
And as for how long. How long are certain countries going to be considered to have been part of the allies or axis... the WWII only lasted about 6 years... how long will they be categorized like that?? Well just because things have moved on, that doesnt mean that facts from the past will change. No matter how shortlived a certain fact was the case.
These countries were considered to be eastern europe.
But like kalbahamut said. This is how they were originally divided, so arguments that they were also part of something else or perhaps geogrpahically more east or west are invalid.
There are parts of north korea that are more south than certain parts of south korea. But that doesnt change the name
That makes as much sense as saying colombia and venezuala arent part of south america because they are (mostly) above the equator... Or that virginia stretches more west than west virginia so they should swap names.
And how does it differ from roman-ia and bulgar-ia etc
Thanks!
Hungary is geographically distant to other countries where Finno-Ugric languages are spoken. And Romania and Moldova are geographically distant from Romance languages. These nations are enclaves within a Balto-Slavic region.
Greek and Albanian are independent branches of Indo-European, so they could easily be included or excluded. The only issue appears to be Estonia v Finland - including the former and excluding the latter.
It was a good quiz, but it could be tweaked
It's entirely to the east of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Czechia.
It’s also clear that most people from these countries who are offended by it feel that way because they also think that “Eastern Europe” brings to mind communist-era dilapidated building blocks and stunted governments, rather than a geographically-accurate description.
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