No offense but here just the most obvious flaws: 1) The title is misleading, there had been a lot territorial chanes during WW1. It should be rather "Territory Changes due to WW1". 2) Turkey is missing at all. 3) Germany lost territories in Europe, Africa, Asia, and Oceania. 4) Italy got South Tyrol. 5) Poland was newly independent! 6) Serbia and Montenegro merged to Yugoslavia: 6a) Yugoslavia was not "newly" independent and 6b) Serbia and Montenegro have to be on the same category on this list. 7) The category "collapsed" is misleading and arbitrary. These states had been scattered by external forces (i.e. the peace treaties), not by internal "collapses". 8) Germany was forces by Wilson to abolish the monarchy and lost far larger (nominal) territories and ethnical diversity than Austria-Hungary or the Ottomans. Accordingly, also the Secong German Empire "collapsed". Austria, Hungary, Turkey, and Germany should be in the same catagory on this list.
Well, there was the newly independent State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs that later merged with Serbia into the newly created Yugoslavia, Serbia having already annexed some parts of Austria-Hungary and anschlussed Montenegro.
3 et 5 ok. 7: The collapsing of the ottoman empire was because of the war but was still internal. You know of Ataturk, right? 8: No, the war ended because there was a kind of revolution in Germany, to overthrow Lüdendorf and the Kaiser. Wilson has nothing to do in the democratic transition. Besides, Germany lost much territory but did not "collapse" as the Austrian-Hungarian empire did.
I agree more with this. The only powerful thing Wilson did was enact the Marshall plan, which tanked the German economy, causing hysterical inflation. That, and combined with France issuing monetary war reparations.
All of which understandable when losing a war, but did cause severe issues (and probably the rise of the Browncoats).
7) The treaty of Severe dismantled the Ottoman Empire. However, as a fun fact, afterwards the Ottoman Empire still existed until Ataturk came. So technically the Ottoman Empire die not at all collapsed during or immediately after WW I. 8) Wilson declared the abdiction of the Emperor as a requirement for peace/an armistice on November 1 1918. From this date on, the OHL pressed Wilhelm II to abdict. This was only important reasons why the military did not intervene in the revolution on November 9. I admit Wilson only asked for Wilhelm II to abdict and not to abolish the monarchy is general. But history is never that monocausal as it is taught in school.
I think he mixed up. Of course, everything is complicated, but you must know that the German population was under extreme pressure under the rule of Lüdendorf... Wilson may have been a catalyst but it's the Germans themselves who did it. As for the Ottoman empire, as I said, the remnant became Turkey in 1922, which is already a few years after the war indeed, but is within the quiz limit of 1923...
Forgot to mention the creation of the Irish free state had been agreed upon before the war and was simply delayed by the war, not caused by it. Both the Irish provisional government and Irish Free State were completely neutral in both world wars.
9) I argue that the transition from the Russian Empire -> Soviet Union (+ several small new states) is qualitatively the same as e.g. for Austria-Hungary -> Austria (+ Hungary +...). Accordingly the Russian Empire should be in the same category as the other "collapsed" empires. 10) "Newly independent": Has, e.g., Austria become independent? From whom? The Habsburgs? See issues 8 and 9.
9: Austria-Hungary was totally scattered. The Russian revolution is a major political change, but the country was not destroyed, and its territory in 1923 was not very smaller than in 1914. 10: As I said, Austria-Hungary was totally scattered. Of course it seems a bit silly to say that Austria was "newly independant" but it's technically true and I don't see what else you could say in such a quiz.
Changes are pending but I tried to fix many of the issues that were mentioned here. Please tell me if anything else needs fixing. Also, I've decided to keep it as Russia because, although it was the Soviet Union in 1923, it was Russia when it lost those lands.
First of all - thanks for this quiz, it's a good one. A couple of further suggestions. Belgium also gained land in Europe - Eupen and Malmedy. You could also add a separate category of 'League of Nations administered' to cover the Saar basin. It wasn't reincorporated into Germany until 1935.
You are missing country of Serbs Croats and slovenes(SHS) that later became Kingdom SHS when merged with Serbia and Montenegro. There was no such thing as Jugoslavija untill the dictatorship of 1929. It seems Like quite a hard quizz to be put together with all those little details happening after WW1 but I Like it.
The State of SCS is excluded because it falls in the short-lived category. The Kingdom of SCS was informally and also internationally called Yugoslavia right from the beginning, e.g. at olympic games.
The Irish didn't want to get mowed down by the thousands for the talking heads in London. The waters around Ireland took a large portion of the submarine attacks, including upon smaller coastal sail cargo. The war was a major catalyst in the push for independence. Notably, Ireland stayed completely out of the Second World War.
I think the Khanate of Khiva and the Emirate of Bukhara were autonomous subjects of the Empire of Russia until they were formally integrated to the Soviet Union in 1920.
By the way, if you consider Turkey as a different country from the Ottoman Empire, shouldn't you also distinguish Russia and USSR and treat the latter as a newly independent country?
I don't think Danzig should be taken account in this quiz. Danzig wasn't an independent country but it was just a free city under the League of Nations and it practically was mostly controlled by Poland in terms of economic leverages, etc. If we want to include Danzig as a newly independent state, we would need to include Saarland as well, and probaby those mandates as well.
Missing Portugal in countries that gained territory. Kionga triangle in former German East Africa was ceded to Portuguese Mozambique (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_East_Africa).
All of which understandable when losing a war, but did cause severe issues (and probably the rise of the Browncoats).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdication_of_Wilhelm_II#Abdication_negotiations
By the way, if you consider Turkey as a different country from the Ottoman Empire, shouldn't you also distinguish Russia and USSR and treat the latter as a newly independent country?
And also I thought Ireland was a country in 1923 and ww1 ended in 1918 so 5 years apart or am I wrong?