Fun game, Kal.
That aside, the point was that Aesthus saying billions of people are on his side of the argument (and then, as if that's some kind of epic mic drop, "deal with it!") is a dumb argument. You didn't get it, though, not surprisingly.
This will continue to be a dumb argument when religious people ultimately become outnumbered by atheists in the future, and if I'm still alive then I'll continue pointing out that it's a dumb argument.
And apparently Lutherans follow the same numbering as Catholics.
Like your friend's sweater... or your neighbor's wife/husband.
I'm sure this is helpful because once you start looking at the actual facts, reading the actual texts, and studying the real history and material effects of any religion versus the claims made by its founders, it is almost impossible to believe in it anymore.
So, yes Jbam I agree with you, if what you want is to fall headlong into a delusional dreamworld a.k.a. change your life, then it is better to remain willfully ignorant and focus on your "relationship" with "god"- basically talking to yourself. There's a reason why "god" always knows precisely how you feel, and how to comfort you, and what makes sense to you. And there's a reason why everyone who believes in this sort of thing always thinks that god agrees with them, and yet still disagree with billions of other people who think the same thing. God = ego.
As far as praying goes, does it make a difference? It's basically just ritualized wishing. Some religions there is more wishing than ritual, and others more ritual than wishing. Though in any case it's just downright condescending to end a message to someone this way. Just like telling someone who doesn't believe in your invisible friend that they need a change in their life. I was joking to illustrate a point. That's all.
If you honestly believe nothing in science disproves the Bible, you either don't know science, don't know the Bible, or you are a liar. The Bible is disproven by science, by history, by philosophy, by mathematics, by geology, by cosmology, by common sense, by logic, and even by itself as it is internally contradictory.
As to why there are still 7% of the members of the NAS who still believe in god? That's a good question. My only guess is that self-delusion can be a powerful thing. I speak from personal experience as someone who discovered that his faith was incorrect. I know it can be a difficult thing to set aside beliefs that are so important to you. Some people can't do it... so they compartmentalize their brain to protect the beliefs they don't want to let go of from the information that would endanger those beliefs.
Me after quiz: yeah eights not thaaaat bad
In Jewish and Rabbincal tradition, Hillel the elder emphasized this: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn." Jesus summarized the Torah in a similar way: "Do to others what you want them to do to you... This is the meaning of the law of Moses and the teaching of the prophets"
Muhammad, also, made similar statements about common sense and decency superseding religious scripture. I can't find the exact quote now but it's something like "if you think a thing is evil it is evil, if you think a thing is good it is good."... something along these lines basically: you have judgment, use it.
Anyway if you are really interested in this subject I suggest looking it up and reading about it. Moses is definitely mythical. And Jesus may be entirely mythical as well, but, whether he is or not, the many contradictory accounts of his life as told in the Gospels certainly have been heavily mythologized, and the true historical Jesus remains elusive. This is the broad historical consensus, even amongst educated believers qualified to have an opinion on the subject.
If you wish to have the last word go ahead. I'm done.
Jacktheguy, since when is it unreliable?! In addition to singular authorship, the Bible also has the best history of prophecies that were later fulfilled in detail. For example, several Old Testament prophets made more than 300 specific prophecies about the coming of the Messiah, where he would be born, where he would grow up, etc. They were all perfectly fulfilled by Jesus Christ hundreds of years later. These and many other fulfilled prophecies show why writers could write: "Thus saith the Lord ..." - they were speaking for Him who knows "the end from the beginning" (Isaiah 46:10).
But earlier you said the Bible was not written by a single person, so which is it? What do you think singular authorship means? Because I’m getting two different answers here.
Your arguments are ridiculous. Find a better source to back up that 300 specific prophecies claim because I can’t find any mention of this from sources that don’t come from Christian propaganda sites. There is no evidence for any of the claims you mentioned that have been proven to have actually happened in real life.
The Bible is a book full of claims. Claims are not evidence. If you provide me with evidence outside of the Bible that proves you correct, then I will gladly take the “horrible loss.” So please, don’t tell me I’m going to hell without giving me a specific reason to believe you.
Also show me proof that your deities are right, I am not grass for a donkey to like me. Let's see who is going to be ridiculous. Why do you think that only you are the "darling" and will you always be correct? Furthermore, how will you know that it is Christian advertising?
There are reasons to believe me. Reading the Bible, you will have salvation. But if you don't listen to me, that's your problem.
Kalbahamut, I'm glad I'm honest, different from you. I didn't and I won't have conversations with Muslims, by the way, I'm still a CHILD remember?! Also ask a Church pastor, if only I do the things you say here. I already have my experiences around the world. Come back and tell me what you have learned and that you are sorry for these barbarities. Good afternoon too.
I know you didn't state that gandalf's argument was ignorant, or that gandalf is ignorant, or that everyone who disagrees with your religious faith is ignorant.... but you did just heavily imply it intentionally or not. And... this is ignorant. As are many comments made in defense of the Christian faith. (as are many comments in general; but, in defense of Christianity it's close to 100%. Or at least in the high-80s) This is not an attack. Just a fact.
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