The correct pronunciation of Myanmar only has “A” as a vowel. The actual pronunciation is something akin to muh-yan-mar, where muh isn’t actually a vowel sound, but the transition between the m and y consonant sounds. An alternate pronunciation is Mee-an-mar, but it’s not actually correct.
Only in one case would the "y" act as a vowel, in the other cases it acts as a semivowel (which is a type of consonant). IsleAuHaulte is correct. Claiming the "y" here acts as a vowel would be like saying "yes" is two vowels.
Looks like the quiz maker doesn’t count Y as a vowel if it’s part of a diphthong. Merriam Webster’s article he seems to be basing his rules on clearly states that the “y” in a diphthong, like Seychelles, is a vowel, however.
I clarified my rules with a trusted quiz maker in the areas of grammar and English language conventions and the Y in Seychelles does indeed qualify as a vowel.
Murphy's Law states: The easiest way to learn something online is not to ask a question, but to assert an incorrect answer.
The English language is very complicated, especially in this case with the whole diphthong thing. That’s why as children we are told “sometimes Y” without any further explanation! Nice to see this quiz featured; now we can watch everyone argue about Y being a vowel. :)
I don't want to argue about whether Y is a vowel, but it would be helpful to specify in the description that Y may count as a vowel or a consonant depending on pronunciation. (After all, the natural interpretation would be that it depends only on spelling, since if you are talking about pronunciation many of these use two different vowel sounds.)
1/20, because I'm a complete idiot. I didn't read the instructions and so didn't realise that you could have multiple occurrences of the same vowel, so I got Chad and then spent 4 minutes thinking the quiz was trolling me.
The only thing that probably could use clarification now is that the “Y” in Myanmar is not pronounced as a vowel. Many Western people (me included until I looked it up because of a Y quiz I created a few months back) pronounce it as “Mee”anmar, but if you look at Merriam Webster, it’s pronounced as a consonant. So maybe saying it’s excluded like Seychelles might be a good idea.
Whether or not "y" is a vowel is, at best, contested, and the conditions under which it "acts as a vowel" are not very commonly understood or agreed upon. This should be clarified in the caveats.
In fairness, if someone has no idea what a vowel is, it’d be difficult to teach them in the caveats. One way to think about it is that vowels are sounds that you can hold for an indefinite amount of time, that have no build up of pressure anywhere, and where your tongue touches nothing in your mouth. In Egypt and Kyrgyzstan, the Ys are blatantly vowels if you think of it this way. Anyway, I’m obviously needing out way too much about Y being a vowel!
Another vote for a clarification, or at least a mention that Y is sometimes counted and sometimes not, in the rules/bullet points. It is a tricky one, people will complain either way, but if you mention it in the rules and point out its complexity that at least pre warns people.
A silent E is still a vowel. Typically, the silent E either modifies a vowel sound or it used to be pronounced and has just become silent. Either way, AEIOU are always vowels no matter what.
It's about the sound made. Yemen, or Yémen in French, is a good example. The pronunciation of the y sounds quite similar in both languages; the difference is that in French you could theoretically replace the y with the sound from an 'i' and it would sound quite similar. In English this would be closest to a double 'e' sound like in the word 'seen' but this doesn't work in English as the 'ee' sound is longer and less subtle. Some English speakers say that 'y is sometimes considered a vowel in English. Some say it that it is a consonant sometimes used as, or like, a vowel. I wouldn't say one is more correct than the other - I think an unambiguously correct way of of phrasing from both viewpoints is to say that it sometimes has a vowel sound. If the quiz-setter wanted to make the instructions clear and unambiguous they could change the caveat from 'In this quiz, you have to know whether Y is a vowel or not. Use this information wisely.' to 'y counts as a vowel where it has a vowel sound
So I tend to agree with the removal of Y from this quiz, but with Y not being considered a vowel for the purposes of this quiz- Cyprus (only includes a U), Kyrgyzstan (only contains an A), the Seychelles (only contains an E), and Egypt (only contains an E) should be included. It doesn't make a lot of sense to include Y as a vowel to exclude some answers, but not as a vowel in it's own right.
I would also looking into including Myanmar/Burma, as Myanmar falls under the same rule as above (only contains A) but with the dual name, might want to include it as you did the ROC and DRC.
I am 59 years old and been to University in the UK to study languages and I have NEVER heard of the letter Y being considered a vowel. Sounds like the same sort of nonsense that resulted in Pluto no longer being a planet, or is it just an American thing?
You must have been studying in all the wrong places. I was taught at primary school in Scotland that "y" could sometimes be considered as a vowel. So what do Americans consider it to be in words such as gym?
In America, the lesson is taught that the vowels are A,E,I,O,U, and sometimes Y.
The rules for when the Y is a vowel are thus:
The word has no other vowel, or
The letter is at the end of a word, or
The letter is in the middle of a syllable.
There are other, more esoteric rules involved as well, which are more or less to blame for some of the editorial decisions that were made on this quiz. The end goal was to be as accurate as possible while maintaining at least a uniform discussion framework for why things are or are not included.
Never underestimate the ability of Americans to insist that their way of doing things is how it's done everywhere, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Agreed. Perhaps this quiz should clearly state that it uses American English interpretations of vowel use rather than the current, more vague bullet info. Rated 1 star for that omission alone.
Agreed. Perhaps this quiz should clearly state that it uses American English interpretations of vowel use rather than the current, more vague bullet info. Rated 1 star for that omission alone.
Agreed. Perhaps this quiz should clearly state that it uses American English interpretations of vowel use rather than the current, more vague bullet info. Rated 1 star for that omission alone.
Quizmaster- I'd be curious to know... as the creator of this quiz... Is this the most controversy/blowback you've seen from a single concept? If so, I offer my apology or my smug satisfaction. Whichever one will make your day better. Cheers.
The "y" in "Myanmar" is no more a vowel than the "y" in "Myemen" would be if Myemen were a country, which it isn't, but it could be, which would be nice.
The Y is considered a vowel if:
a) there is no other vowel (gym, cyst)
b) it is at the end of a word (any, cherry)
c) there are no other vowels in a particular syllable (bicycle, or... syllable)
In Burmese there's actually no /j/ sound in the word, it's more like "mran ma".
IPA(key): /ˌmjɑnˈmɑɹ/
(Received Pronunciation) IPA(key): /mjænˈmɑː/, /ˈmjæn.mɑː/, /ˈmaɪ̯ænˌmɑː/
Only in one case would the "y" act as a vowel, in the other cases it acts as a semivowel (which is a type of consonant). IsleAuHaulte is correct. Claiming the "y" here acts as a vowel would be like saying "yes" is two vowels.
Murphy's Law states: The easiest way to learn something online is not to ask a question, but to assert an incorrect answer.
Idk about a lot of country name pronunciations so
Whether or not "y" is a vowel is, at best, contested, and the conditions under which it "acts as a vowel" are not very commonly understood or agreed upon. This should be clarified in the caveats.
In the bullet points under the question, you could just list a bunch of exclusions like the Seychelles.
Myanmar, Egypt, Seychelles, Kyrgyzstan excluded because the y is treated as a vowel.
Yeh-men. Y = not vowel.
Cyprus, Egypt, Yemen 2 aren’t allowed and 1 is ?
Egypt: /ˈiː ʤɪpt/. The Y stands in for /iː/, which is a vowel.
Yemen: /ˈjɛ mən/. The Y stands in for /j/, which is not a vowel.
Seychelles: /seɪ ˈʃɛlz/. The Y stands in for /ɪ/, which is a vowel.
Another vote for a clarification, or at least a mention that Y is sometimes counted and sometimes not, in the rules/bullet points. It is a tricky one, people will complain either way, but if you mention it in the rules and point out its complexity that at least pre warns people.
Cool quiz though.
The rules for when the Y is a vowel are thus:
The word has no other vowel, or
The letter is at the end of a word, or
The letter is in the middle of a syllable.
There are other, more esoteric rules involved as well, which are more or less to blame for some of the editorial decisions that were made on this quiz. The end goal was to be as accurate as possible while maintaining at least a uniform discussion framework for why things are or are not included.
You might want to clarify in the bullets which ruleset you're using at the top: Y as a consonant (British Eng), Y as a vowel, or this diphthong rule.
Yemen has one: E.
Sometimes Y is a vowel, sometimes it's not.