Top 10 Best US Presidents

Agree with most of the rest of what you said but opinions are always being revised and this is based on polling data that goes back quite a ways.

I was using wikipedia's Historical rankings of presidents of the United States, and it seems like most people rank him 20-25.

My notes say, 'Very corrupt elections. Lost the popular and electoral college. Agreed to recognize him if he'd end reconstruction, remove fed troops from south, and let south govern itself'.

Personally I don't think anyone from the last 30-50 years should be included. I've never really seen the Kennedy appeal beyond pop culture, especially combined with the short term. Seems more like, 'oh a popular playboy died. now he is good and we love him'. I've seen John Adams, and Polk brought up a few times in discussion.

His 14 Points ignored at Versailles contained good ideas but he couldn't lead us through that even. His wife wasn't a much better President.

Wilson, for whatever reason, never respected the sovereignty of nations and proceeded to occupy many nations for long periods of time. This led to rebellions, insurrections(like the Philippines one), and a growing disregard from the American public of imperialistic foreign policy, but Wilson being Wilson, ignored this.

In the later stages of his 8 years, he pushed for the accpeptance of his 14 points and the treaty of versailles, both of which were diplomatically failiures(he even violated almost all of his own 14 points himself), instead of guiding the country through the red scare of 1919, and the race riots.

Not to mention his racism, screening Birth of a Nation and calling it historically accurate

You are as clever as Fox News is fair and balanced and as insightful as Noam Chomsky is patriotic.

No one knows his target because the idiot hit everyone with a ricochet using a .22 from 5 feet away. At least Squeaky Fromme brought a .45 she didn't know enough to load properly.

-Japan was probably not going to surrender anytime soon. That's not how they operated.

-Hundreds of thousands of Americans would die in an invasion, not to mention the number of Japanese civilians and soldiers.

-He DID end the bloodiest war in human history, which counts for something. Also, I personally believe that it's a good thing the world saw what these weapons could do before the Cold War started.

Trump did not increase economic growth. If you look at the growth of the economy the positive trend lines all go back to the Obama administration and did not change when Trump assumed office. And now, thank to his monumentally inept handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, something that he actually did play a direct role in (often presidents are given credit or blame for a good or bad economy that they don't deserve, but this was 100% Trump), damage to the US economy is going to be worse than anywhere else on the planet.

Illegal immigration actually greatly INCREASED during the Trump administration. Where are you getting your "facts" from? Though Trump has increased the number of kids separated from their parents and put in cages and other forms of cruelty this hasn't actually worked.

Trump is more corrupt than Harding, more inept and less engaged in fulfilling his duties than Pierce, a bigger failure than Hoover, a bigger liar and much worse crook than Nixon, a bigger jerk than Polk or Jackson, worse at international trade and more given to praising war criminals than Harrison, more egotistical and stubborn than Johnson, a bigger threat to democracy and civil liberties than Bush or Lincoln, worse at handling natural disasters than Bush, just as bad on minority rights as Jackson, even more of a corporate shill than Reagan,

There are very few ways that Trump is not worse than *every* president that preceded him in *every* way. The only ones I can think of are that he isn't quite as racist as Wilson or Andrew Johnson, and not quite as gung ho about carpet bombing foreign countries as Truman, Roosevelt, Nixon, or LBJ.

and most of these things could have been seen as far back as 2017 if not 2016.

Donald Trump was ranked as the 10th luckiest of all presidents in US history. The only metric where he finished in the top quartile. I guess being gifted the Obama economy and having no major international or domestic crises during the first 3 years of his presidency was enormously fortuitous. In the last year, COVID underline how completely and totally inept he was.

The only other metric where Trump was not ranked at or near the bottom was his willingness to take risks - where he was placed 25th overall. Personally I think it's more that he lacks the capacity to understand risk or to think forward. If an infant walks off a 6th floor balcony and falls to its death you wouldn't give it credit for taking risks; you'd recognize that infants are too stupid to be left unattended near open windows on high floors.

In every other metric, from intelligence, to integrity, to quality of executive appointments - the current president ranked 39th or below, and was often dead last.