Not necessarily. Taiwan didn't pick a date to implement the law and might wait until 2019. Plenty of things might happen in the meantime, and it could even end up not being the first Asian country with gay marriage since Nepal, Vietnam, Thailand and Japan are considering passing the law.
I did a trekking in Nepal 2 years ago and our guide (who constantly held my hand while explaining something) 'confirmed' there are no gay people in his country... Even if they are - finally - thinking of passing that law, they still have a lot of work to do to create acceptance amongst their population.
The government should not be involved in marriage. The power to make gay marriage legal is the same as the power to make interracial marriage illegal. Our freedom shouldn't be contingent on the whims of politicians.
But... the government saying it's legal IS the government getting out of it. They're saying that the government can't stop two people from getting married just because of their gender. And that's exactly WHY things like this NEED to be enshrined in law, so that politicians CAN'T just change things on a whim.
As long as marriage is a recognized civil institution with legal implications this argument is invalid. But moreover, if you believe that people have a right to get married at all then barring certain kinds of people from getting married is discriminatory and unconstitutional.
Unfortunately, there is NO right to marriage. Government has taken that right away. I had to get a marriage license (permission) to get married to my wife. Marriage licenses started post Civil War in the US. If ANY higher authority has to be involved prior to the performance of any action, that is not a right. That is a privilege. The real issue, Constitutionally, is the ninth and tenth amendment. The Federal Government has no legal authority to force States into recognizing gay marriage. The other issue is these quizzes are supposed to be fun and not politically charged and the fact that this quiz is on here to open itself up for this kind of debate is stupid. Is there a "Countries that allow slavery" quiz? I guess I will create it.
So, I know this may be a stretch but, what happens once a big majority of countries have legalized it, the quiz will have lost its point and be a "name a lot of countries" quiz.
There will be a point at which the 'countries that do not permit same-sex marriage' will make more sense. That's still some time in the future - very many countries (numerically) will persist in this category for decades to come. But, it is great to have to take this quiz each year again as the list grows. I'm not in the same-sex relationship group, but I am really happy that this topic is becoming routine in so many places around the world. Only 20 years ago, it was still a far-off aspiration in every country in the world. In 20 years from now, we will wonder what people were thinking back in the 'old days'.
It'll be weird in 30 years when kids will look back on this and think "How can the government not allow two people of the same sex from getting married?", and then I'll feel old for remembering when it was a debate and all.
I find it interesting to see how fast such a law can spread nowadays. Women vote and abolition of death penalty took way more time to be adopted by as much countries and some still don't have it.
Yeah, I was thinking it's depressing there are only 27 on the list, but 20 years ago there were 0, so progress is being made, though it's long overdue.
I think the rapid progress has a lot to do with the fact the homosexuality is not correlated to race, class, income, or geography. Most people who oppose progress for marginalized groups have a stigmatized view of those groups because they don't interact with them. The white suburban people I know are "tough on crime" because they don't know any poor people and don't appreciate the link between poverty and crime. But a lot of them have softened their views on homosexuality since they found out they have a gay nephew, neighbor, coworker, and or whatever, and realized through direct interaction that, hey, he's just like everybody else and he deserves to be happy. And now that homosexuals are more visible and accepted, people who are gay are more willing to come out and be known, which increases the community's visibility exponentially and further normalizes it. It's a great ripple effect.
Unfortunately, it still may take a while for a lot of developing countries to come around to this, where conservative attitudes toward LGBT rights still prevail. I'm pretty hopeful for the future though. My millenial/Gen Z cousins in Bangladesh seem to support it, or at least be willing to talk about it. Plus, there's widespread legal recognition and growing acceptance of transgender people throughout South Asia. When future generations comes to power, I think there's a serious chance that things will change.
Austria should join this list in 2019; as long as the Austrian Parliament doesn't amend the marriage laws, the current law states it will be legal as of January 1, 2019.
Aye but not Northern Ireland or IIRC some of the overseas territories. So unfortunately we can't yet correctly say gay marriage is legal in the United Kingdom, though it is in Great Britain.
So....there are 196 recognized countries in the world (thanks JetPunk), and only 23 have recognized same sex marriage.
So it's safe to say that the majority of the world doesn't allow same sex marriage. Now that's not to say anything good or bad. Remember, we are only talking about numbers here.
So in order for same sex marriage to be even close to the norm, 77 more countries need to recognize this. (That means the majority 99 countries yes and 97 countries no).
The list I would like to see.......Of the 173 current countries that don't allow same sex marriage, which one's are more likely to change their position on the issue? That would be jetpunk GOLD.
I get your point, but I think if we want to talk numbers it would be more correct to talk about it in terms of number of countries and those countries' percentage of world population. There's some sizably populated countries on this list. Of course, if we want to talk about that, we have to remember that it could be legalized in 194 countries and still only cover about 2/3 of the world's population if you exclude China and India. And I don't think it's about to happen there anytime soon.
Can't say about China, but India recently legalized homosexuality, which I think is a big deal. And as I mentioned in a comment above, young people in conservative Bangladesh also seem open to it.
I don't think a majority will happen anytime soon, but, as a Gen Z, I could forsee it happening within my lifetime.
It's fascinating to see the way it began with a few countries and really snowballed in the last 10 years or so. This list might be a lot bigger in another 10 years!
If other people's decisions that do not affect you life in any way annoy you then you should seek professional help. How would you like the whole population of your nation having a say on who you can or cannot be in a relationship with?
"This 'other people different from me getting as many rights as me" stuff is getting annoying", is what you truly meant, I believe. Progress means changing for the better, only backward-minded people would complain about that. And bigots, of course. You're on the wrong side of history, have fun staying in the past while the world keeps moving forward.
I remember on old naturalization documents in the 1920s, you had to sign an oath not to practice polygamy. It's now legal in many towns in the Northeast.
It's only "not acceptable" depending upon which parts of the world you're talking about. Should we Westerners (and others) force our morality on the rest of the world? People like to complain today about another time the Western powers did just that, and they're now trying to "de-colonize" everything! So, we should "de-colonize" cultures... except for the parts of those cultures that we now find morally reprehensible given today's Western morality. Hmmm... wee bit of a quandry there innit? Just to be clear, I'm not anti-same-sex-union here. Just playing devil's advocate and presenting some (hopefully) food for thought.
Trying to portray Human rights as "Western rights" is not "food-for-thought", it's a well-known worn-out tactic used by oppressive regimes who cannot possibly find a rational reason for oppressing people. I'd be very surprised if you weren't, in fact, very much opposed to gay rights.
It's an outdated institution born out of the desire to turn women into property and also to make sex, which should be a basic human right, something expensive and exclusive so that men with power and privilege could monopolize all of the best options for it.
That's an interesting theory. Do you really think so? Would it not be even more so without marriage? In some respects doesn't marriage protect the individual? I'm married, but I certainly don't believe I own my wife.
I do agree that men with power will always monopolise most things, including sex, if they want it.
I mean, kal definitely is correct about the origins of the marriage institution in the western world (in the world as a whole to *some* degree, but it gets complicated).
You could certainly make an argument that it has changed enough over time that the statements no longer hold, but "I'm married and" is not that argument.
It's hard for me personally to figure out in what respects marriage protects the individual except for giving access to various things which should clearly not be hidden behind marriage in the first place.
While I don’t disagree that marriage began as a way to control women and sometimes still is used that way, I do not believe that marriage necessarily needs to be abolished. Marriage is optional, and if you don’t want to get married, typically no one is forcing you to. Marriage creates accountability and stability, which provides a good foundation for children to be raised. As long as there is respect on both sides of the relationship, I do not believe there is anything wrong with getting married.
If you want to delve further into this topic, I suggest reading Aldous Huxley’s book, Brave New World, which provides a fascinating perspective on why marriage or at the very least monogamy is important. While the book is definitely not PC as it was written in the 1931, the underlying message still rings true and I would definitely suggest reading it.
Only religious institutions, then? They don't have any reason to hold the exclusivity on marriage, it just so happens that they did for a long time. If that's not your argument, then you fail to understand what marriage really means. Civil marriage is a legal act, and therefore directly tied to the government that both creates and upholds the laws.
I guess that up for each individual person to decide? What works for me may not work for you and that's okay. We all should be free to decide as long as all the involved are consenting adults.
If you wait until after 13th January you can add the UK, as parliament is finally making Northern Ireland recognise same-sex marriage too regardless of what the DUP wants.
Yeah, I remember recently a same-sex couple from Italy brought their daughter to be baptized at my church here in Canada, because they couldn't do it in Italy. It was really touching.
Yeay for the update, and had all but one of them correct, for some reason i didn't think of Malta. Lol. Nice to see the UK following the trend with some delay. Greets from the guys & girls who where the first.
Would it make more sense to split the UK into two entries? One for 2014 covering England & Wales and Scotland, and 2020 covering Northern Ireland. As 97% of the UK population lives outside of NI the situation is not comparable with the likes of the US in which a significant percentage of the population could not get married until 2015.
However, I didn't approve the update. People lose their points when questions are added/removed and it's unfair to do that more than once a year per quiz.
UPDATE: the anti-same-sex marriage community have successfully launched the referendum triggering a nationwide vote. Looks more like late 2022 or 2023 at this point
"This quiz will be updated at most once per year" So it may be updated once per decade(?) or can you give us a promise that what period "at least" will you update since you haven't updated for almost two years!
i think the implication is every year QM will look and update, if there are any new countries to be added. the point is more that it won't be updated any more frequently than once a year, so people's stats don't keep getting updated. by saying 'at most once per year' that implies it will be updated regularly once per year, if there are updates to be made
You can be conservative without being religious. Estonia is also among the most atheist. Slovenia is traditionally less religious than Spain or Ireland etc.
People in my country are quite conservative, which is a shame. That's always an argument between me and my parents, I support same-sex marriages and families, and my parents are strongly against.
Slovenia has to be finally added. The constitutional court decided that the law is discriminatory and ordered it has to be changed, but until then gender is irrelevant from marriage. The decision will be in force after official publication next week or so.
I feel fairly certain you'll have to take the USA off this list within a few years from when I'm leaving this comment, maybe even a few months. I hope I'm wrong, but things are getting very scary, very fast.
My country is on this list, and I respect the opinions of those who support it. This is a polite reminder that many of us still believe marriage is a male-female union that governments should not try to redefine. We love our neighbours whatever their sexual proclivities but that doesn't mean we agree with this historically new understanding of what marriage is.
If it was renamed ‘Garriage’ instead of ‘marriage’ would it bother you? Since marriage is a legal union and not a religious one, why do you think the government should not be able to change it? It’s not like churches are forced to perform religious ceremonies…
Or do you just think same-sex couples, whilst you love them, shouldn’t be able to have next of kin or inheritance or a legal say over their partners medical decisions if they’re incapacitated, or the ability to adopt or pay taxes together etc? Y’know, the legal things obtained by a civil marriage.
And if you say ‘well a civil partnership offers that’ then it’s literally just the use of the name ‘marriage’ that’s bothering you. At which point surely you’d not care if it was renamed ‘garriage’.
And if that’s the case it’s kinda just being a pedant really isn’t it? That a word is bothering you.
Evangelical (probably homophobic) Christians living in the 20th Century, heavily influenced by the French Romantics of the 18th Century, did not invent marriage and don't have a monopoly on defining it. The institution, in various forms, has been around way longer than your historically recent understanding of what it should mean. and the sources that you likely turn to to try and lend legitimacy to your definitions in all likelihood were written by people who would find your concept of marriage completely baffling and strange.
DanJS i don't agree with what you've said but want to commend the way you respectfully stated your own opinion without trying to force anyone else into it. more internet discourse should be more like this
When I opened the quiz and saw that there were 30 answers, that was much more than I was expecting - But then, there's still 166 countries missing which is an absolutely huge number. Glad to see so many progressing in recent years however.
Oh, and gay marriage isn't a plot by Western nations lol. I ask that you think of all the people in your own country who are LGBT but don't see their rights legally protected by the government.
Granted, Serbia is currently the worst place in Europe (possibly excluding Belarus; runners-up Moldova, Russia, Ukraine, due to current events), but why are you so confident that it will always be?
I just want to point out that the Prime Minister of Serbia, Ana Brnabic, is openly lesbian. I don't know much about how people in Serbia view homosexuality traditionally, but if their Prime Minister is LGBT, it's likely that the country is quickly liberalizing its attitude toward LGBT rights.
Ana0692, I'd love to see your face when Serbia is finally added to the list in a few years and you receive a notification stating that your points were reset due to an update ;)
Great quiz! As of this month, all Mexican states have legalized same-sex marriage, making it officially legal nation-wide. Mexico should be added once you get the chance :)
As of 20/3/2023, the countries that needed to be added are Slovenia, Cuba, Mexico, and Andorra; but India, Liechtenstein, and Czechia all seem to be close, with India likely being the next one hopefully on 18/4
As yet another commenter making sure to let the homophobes in these comments know that most JetPunkers do not support their hatred and never will, I have a few words for you: No, and progress will triumph as the years progress, despite your narrow definition of what marriage "should be".
Also, imagine thinking that it's a good thing to prevent same-sex couples from getting married. Like previous comments have said, marriage is a right. I ask that you open your mind and become a more tolerant and kinder person if you don't want to get replies like this for your bigotry.
Despite the homophobes in the comments, I hope that someday every country is on this list, though that will never happen. There will always be hateful attitudes everywhere.
i hate that is even a quiz.... countries shouldnt have to be 'considering this' it should be a human right and a no-brainer!! everyone should be able to marry who they want everywhere
Crazy to think about that only 1.5 after this quiz was last updated, SIX countries are gonna be added (Slovenia, Cuba, Mexico, Andorra, Estonia, and now Nepal!)
The guide was an educated young man btw... sad
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So it's safe to say that the majority of the world doesn't allow same sex marriage. Now that's not to say anything good or bad. Remember, we are only talking about numbers here.
So in order for same sex marriage to be even close to the norm, 77 more countries need to recognize this. (That means the majority 99 countries yes and 97 countries no).
The list I would like to see.......Of the 173 current countries that don't allow same sex marriage, which one's are more likely to change their position on the issue? That would be jetpunk GOLD.
I don't think a majority will happen anytime soon, but, as a Gen Z, I could forsee it happening within my lifetime.
I do agree that men with power will always monopolise most things, including sex, if they want it.
You could certainly make an argument that it has changed enough over time that the statements no longer hold, but "I'm married and" is not that argument.
It's hard for me personally to figure out in what respects marriage protects the individual except for giving access to various things which should clearly not be hidden behind marriage in the first place.
If you want to delve further into this topic, I suggest reading Aldous Huxley’s book, Brave New World, which provides a fascinating perspective on why marriage or at the very least monogamy is important. While the book is definitely not PC as it was written in the 1931, the underlying message still rings true and I would definitely suggest reading it.
Time for an update!
Source: am Swiss and interested in Swiss politics
The new law goes into effect July 1, 2022.
Or do you just think same-sex couples, whilst you love them, shouldn’t be able to have next of kin or inheritance or a legal say over their partners medical decisions if they’re incapacitated, or the ability to adopt or pay taxes together etc? Y’know, the legal things obtained by a civil marriage.
And if you say ‘well a civil partnership offers that’ then it’s literally just the use of the name ‘marriage’ that’s bothering you. At which point surely you’d not care if it was renamed ‘garriage’.
And if that’s the case it’s kinda just being a pedant really isn’t it? That a word is bothering you.
Marriage is a right for everyone, so excluding some people just because they love a certain group is wrong.
Another word: cope.
What is so wrong with two people in love getting married?
I agree.
Also, imagine thinking that it's a good thing to prevent same-sex couples from getting married. Like previous comments have said, marriage is a right. I ask that you open your mind and become a more tolerant and kinder person if you don't want to get replies like this for your bigotry.
Also add Slovenia, Cuba, and Andorra.