I saw on wikipedia that Ethiopia was even Christian before the other countries because the religion spread there via Egypt before the Roman Empire accepted christianism
That is because there aren't. Ethiopians and Eritreans are members of the so called "Oriental Orthodox" churches, which are completely separate from the Eastern Orthodox church. They just have a extremely confusing name in English. The Ethiopian and Eritrean church are closely related to the Coptic church of Egypt, and they split from the other churches of the Roman Empire after the Council of Chalcedon, in 451 AD. The Eastern Orthodox church remained a single church with the Catholic Church until 1054, well into the Middle Ages. So basically the Ethiopian Church has absolutely nothing to do with the Eastern Orthodox Church of the Russians and the Greeks. They diverged from each other well over 1500 years ago and have massive theological differences
The Wiki article called "Religion in Lebanon" cites 21% Maronite, 8% Greek Orthodox, 5% Melkite Catholic, and 6.4% other Christian denominations like Armenian Orthodox, Syriac Catholic, Armenian Catholic, Syriac Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Chaldean, Assyrian, Copt, and Protestant.
If 9% of Egypt is Orthodox then we must be counting Coptic Christians as Orthodox. Throw in the Syrians and Armenians and it seems likely that the total figure could be above 10%.
Albania is slightly majority Muslim. And it's biggest Christian sect is Roman Catholicism (~10%). There are minorities of Greeks and various Slavic communities, who are likely Orthodox. But they are a very small percentage. There has been controversy, though, with a recent census that some felt miscounted all of the religious communities.
Yep. French Catholics and ancient Eastern Catholics outnumber the Orthodox in Lebanon. And Orthodox Christians are the majority of Christians in Syria but they are only about 10% of the population.
This quiz MUST be modified. Christianity has in fact FIVE major divisions of denominations, and this quiz conflates two of them. The Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox, although having names meaning essentially the same thing in English, have very distinct liturgies, histories, organizations, and languages. (The others are Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, and the Church of the East.) In the very least, the instructions must indicate that both Eastern and Oriental Orthodox populations are considered.
To give an analogical argument, this is like asking the Top X Ethnic Origins for U.S. Americans in a quiz, and conflating Scottish, English, and Irish because 'they're all from the British Isles.' Yes, they are cultural cousins, but they are not the same.
The source listed in the caveat links to a map that seems to indicate that there are more orthodox Christians (by this inclusive definition) in Lebanon and Syria than in Egypt... upholding some previous objections about the omission of Lebanon.
For Lebanon, in the chart it says 8%, but it says 851,000 Christian Orthodox. Lebanon does not have 10 million people. Shouldn't it be about 20% Orthodox in Lebanon?
That's obviously a mistake on the Wikipedia page. As @kalbahamut posted above:
"A demographic study conducted by the research firm Statistics Lebanon found that approximately 27% of the population was Shia, 27% Sunni, 21% Maronite, 8% Greek Orthodox, 5% Druze, 5% Melkite, and 1% Protestant, with the remaining 6% mostly belonging to smaller non-native to Lebanon Christian denominations.[179]"
This was a demographics study done by a Shia Muslim meaning they are biased towards the Shia and Muslim population as a whole-hence the 54% Muslim population raising it while dropping the Christian and Druze. The one done on the general population (by a Sunni) and is unbiased is: 33% Maronite, 23% Sunni, 14% Shia, 10% Greek Orthodox, 6% Druze, 6% Melkite Catholic, 6% Armenian Orthodox and 2% other Christians. Meaning, it's 57% Christian (40% Catholic, 17% Orthodox), 6% Druze, 37% Muslim (23% Sunni and 14% Shia). Just a note :)
It's really silly that people get all up in arms about the information in quizzes on an online quiz site. "Actually, so-and-so has more Orthodox…" "Actually, if you look at wiki, or this one specific map that I link to here, you'll see…" "How can Syria and Lebanon not be on here? If you look at such and such…" Blah, blah, blah...
First of all, the quizzes on this site are supposed to be FUN, not scholarly research projects (though striving for some accuracy should be encouraged).
BUT, if you're basing your quizzes on wikipedia, which true scholars NEVER use as the basis of their projects because ANYONE can edit them, then there are bound to be errors or incongruities. If a quiz states that its info is based on a wiki page, then quiz-taker beware: it may not be 100% accurate, according to certain sources, but it will still be a very fun, interesting quiz!
never ceases to amaze me the long-winded comments people leave complaining about other people making comments or complaints.
Quizzes are most fun when they are accurate. If you find a mistake on any of my quizzes, please point it out so I can correct it. This will make it more fun for those taking the quiz and save me some embarrassment, too.
But this quiz is accurate. Or, at least as accurate as is possible. What gets me riled up is the endless complaints that are simply wrong and that could be easily resolved by doing a Google search or by visiting Wikipedia.
Our quizzes post their sources. Is it too much to expect for complainers to do the same?
Those annoy me, too, QM, but that's not what komrad was taking issue with. If complaints in the comments section bother someone so much it seems weird that they would lead long complaints in the comments section complaining about complaints in the comments section.
and some confusion about Syria and Lebanon being absent was warranted, as I pointed out, along with my source. If Egypt is on this quiz, then, going by the same source listed, Syria and Lebanon ought to be, as well. In Egypt's case they're throwing in Egyptian Coptic Christians, but in Syria and Lebanon they're using a different, less inclusive standard for "orthodox." If they grouped all the various traditions together like they did in Egypt then the numbers would be higher in Syria and Lebanon. The 8% figure for Orthodox in Lebanon, for example, only includes Greek Orthodox. If you count Armenian Orthodox, Syrian Orthodox, and Copts (and why wouldn't you, as these groups are included in other countries) then the figure for total Orthodox Christians in Lebanon jumps above 10%
which lists 4 different surveys with slightly different sets of data suggesting that between 9% and 13% of the population of Lebanon are Orthodox Christian, by the broad definition used in the source linked at the top of the page, including 8% Greek Orthodox, which seem to be the only group included in that source's factoring, even while it includes Armenian Orthodox for Armenia, and Copts for Egypt.
I wish QM would stop forcing me to read these long complaints about people making long complaints about people who make long complaints about...oh, wait, QM doesn't force me to read any of the comments. Hmmmm. (But I still love 'em all.)
Actually, kalbahamut, the government of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, the United Nations, and most countries in the world say that it is the actual name for it.
The Republic of Macedonia NEVER called themselves FYROM, that was a stupid name foisted upon them by Greeks and various international organizations wishing to appease Greeks. Apparently this month there was an agreement between Greece and Macedonia to rename the RoM to The Republic of North Macedonia. It always was and will forever remain titanically stupid that Greece should be so obsessed with what this country calls itself, but if RoNM makes both parties happy, fine, whatever, that's cool.
Now, whether the country is called the Republic of Macedonia, the Republic of North Macedonia, or the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" doesn't really matter as the short name for it will still be Macedonia... same as America, Mexico, China, etc.
kalbahamut sorry my friend but you have no idea what you're talking about. From what I assume from your comments, you're an Arab probably educated in western institutions so you only know what you hear from CNN and Al-Jazeera about the Balkans.
First of all, it's NOT just a naming dispute "by the stupid Greeks". Many people from North Macedonia/FYROM have irredentist claims against the greek province of Macedonia and its ancient greek history. Also the name of the state remains as FYROM even though most people worldwide know it as Macedonia. So you're again mistaken as the deal signed by the two states is not yet in effect. Nobody used the name to "appease the Greeks", nobody cares about the Greeks which is perfectly demonstrated by the fact that Greece is used as a scapegoat by all european countries for causing the economic crisis and as a storage place for the refugees because they don't want them in their countries.
Comparing the naming dispute to Georgia is just plain idiotic.
I'm actually not an Arab. I've got Greek relatives. I know what I'm talking about. And I lived for a while in Thessaloniki. You're still getting your panties in a twist over this even after the naming compromise? That's plain idiotic.
I mean typing Macedonia is easier than typing the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. Also didn't know about the name change. Nice to see the two countries getting along better.
Until there's a country called "South Macedonia"... no... just no.. and we're not going to start calling the Caucasian country of Georgia "East Georgia" just because there's an American province that shares the name.
But North Macedonia is the new name of the country. If a part of Texas broke off from the United States and called itself "South Texas," would you call it just Texas when there is another Texas right next to it and the name makes sense? I feel that changing the name would also stop further debate.
But no one knows or really cares about the province of Moldova. North Macedonia has had a huge dispute with Greece over its name, and there have been enough debates on this subject already. I am simply proposing to use a name which everyone has agreed upon because it keeps everyone happy and prevents arguments like this from happening in every quiz mentioning the country, as it has previously. Also, up until last week, FYROM was the official name for the country, so I don't understand why you think Macedonia is the official name. It has never been, or has not been for a very, very, very long time called Macedonia.
If a piece of Texas broke away from the United States, and named themselves the Republic of Texas, but most people called this new country simply "Texas" as it was simpler, and on country quizzes just "Texas" was an acceptable type-in for the new country, I would be absolutely 1000% okay with this. That would make perfect sense. Getting mad about it would be just about the stupidest thing ever. Let them call themselves whatever they want. I would be every bit as mad about this as when Western Samoa became an independent country, renamed themselves The Independent State of Samoa, and people started referring to the country simply as "Samoa," without ever consulting any of the inhabitants of Eastern Samoa, a.k.a. American Samoa, about this. As actually happened in 1962.
One side of this argument is indefensibly stupid and there's no getting around that, I'm sorry.
and P.S. I decided I'm actually perfectly fine with calling the Republic of Macedonia "North Macedonia" if that has been agreed to by the Macedonian government, and if it will stop these dumb arguments from taking place, but someone above saw fit to engage in the same dumb argument even after this compromise so my optimism is tenuous.
There's a country of South Africa without there being a country of North Africa. And a West Virginia with no East Virginia. No West Timor. No Outer Mongolia. I don't see a conflict.
The percentage given in this quiz is wrong, according to its own source. The cited wikipedia article mentions 10% orthodox christians in egypt. In the next line it says: "5% in Sudan (total christians: 15%)". So the 15% number is total christians in SUDAN (all denominations) and NOT Egypt.
I had one minute left and just remembered there were orthodox in Ethiopia so I put in and for some reason put in Sudan instead of Eritrea and ran out of time before I could fully type it. On the other hand I would've never guessed Egypt.
Lebanon has 16% Orthodox Christian (10% Greek Orthodox and 6% Armenian) but it isn't here. Egypt doesn't have 15% Orthodox Christian but instead has around 6-8%. That number was recorded in early 2000's, before the massive Muslim population rise.
I don't know what's the source for the stated percentages, but in case of Serbia, I know 97% of Orthodox Christians is completely wrong. Official 2011 population census states 84.59% of the population consideres itself Orthodox Christian. Here is an official link, you can check it yourself (the data for the country as a whole is in the first row): http://media.popis2011.stat.rs/2014/02/5_-Stanovnistvo-prema-veroispovesti-po-opstinama-i-gradovima.xls
Also, if you know the demographics of Serbia, with several mainly Catholic, Protestant and Muslim minorities, and with the country's communist past, you also know it is impossible the percentage to be anywhere near 97%. I guess other countries' percentages should probably be checked as well.
Yeah, that number seemed fishy to me, especially considering the large Muslim populations in neighboring countries (just look at Kosovo!). I looked it up and it like it's more like ~85% Orthodox.
vitriden i ja sam pomislio da Srbija nema 97 procenata pravoslavaca jer samo Bosnjaci i Madjari koji nisu pravoslavci cine oko 6 procenata stanovnistva a gde su druge nepravoslavne manjine....
I missed out on Montenegro and Kyrgyzstan. l think the former is less excusable than the latter as most of the Balkan region comprises a mosaic of Orthodox and Muslim religious majorities (owing to its respective historic Byzantine and Ottoman influences) with Catholicism being prevalent further North (in Croatia and Slovenia, Hungary, etc. as a result of the Austro-Hungarian Empire's Catholic legacy). Central Asia (i.e. the "Stan States") is in fact mostly Islamic (owing to the Persian and Turkic influences) so l was enlighten to find Kyrgyzstan more "Christenised" than say, Kazakhstan further north. I was also surprised by the exclusion of Lebanon and Syria.
Constantinople was established and the Byzantine Empire became a thing. So... what are you talking about?
If 9% of Egypt is Orthodox then we must be counting Coptic Christians as Orthodox. Throw in the Syrians and Armenians and it seems likely that the total figure could be above 10%.
To give an analogical argument, this is like asking the Top X Ethnic Origins for U.S. Americans in a quiz, and conflating Scottish, English, and Irish because 'they're all from the British Isles.' Yes, they are cultural cousins, but they are not the same.
"A demographic study conducted by the research firm Statistics Lebanon found that approximately 27% of the population was Shia, 27% Sunni, 21% Maronite, 8% Greek Orthodox, 5% Druze, 5% Melkite, and 1% Protestant, with the remaining 6% mostly belonging to smaller non-native to Lebanon Christian denominations.[179]"
First of all, the quizzes on this site are supposed to be FUN, not scholarly research projects (though striving for some accuracy should be encouraged).
BUT, if you're basing your quizzes on wikipedia, which true scholars NEVER use as the basis of their projects because ANYONE can edit them, then there are bound to be errors or incongruities. If a quiz states that its info is based on a wiki page, then quiz-taker beware: it may not be 100% accurate, according to certain sources, but it will still be a very fun, interesting quiz!
Quizzes are most fun when they are accurate. If you find a mistake on any of my quizzes, please point it out so I can correct it. This will make it more fun for those taking the quiz and save me some embarrassment, too.
Our quizzes post their sources. Is it too much to expect for complainers to do the same?
which lists 4 different surveys with slightly different sets of data suggesting that between 9% and 13% of the population of Lebanon are Orthodox Christian, by the broad definition used in the source linked at the top of the page, including 8% Greek Orthodox, which seem to be the only group included in that source's factoring, even while it includes Armenian Orthodox for Armenia, and Copts for Egypt.
and im from serbia
lol
Now, whether the country is called the Republic of Macedonia, the Republic of North Macedonia, or the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" doesn't really matter as the short name for it will still be Macedonia... same as America, Mexico, China, etc.
First of all, it's NOT just a naming dispute "by the stupid Greeks". Many people from North Macedonia/FYROM have irredentist claims against the greek province of Macedonia and its ancient greek history. Also the name of the state remains as FYROM even though most people worldwide know it as Macedonia. So you're again mistaken as the deal signed by the two states is not yet in effect. Nobody used the name to "appease the Greeks", nobody cares about the Greeks which is perfectly demonstrated by the fact that Greece is used as a scapegoat by all european countries for causing the economic crisis and as a storage place for the refugees because they don't want them in their countries.
Comparing the naming dispute to Georgia is just plain idiotic.
One side of this argument is indefensibly stupid and there's no getting around that, I'm sorry.
be Muslim.
Also, if you know the demographics of Serbia, with several mainly Catholic, Protestant and Muslim minorities, and with the country's communist past, you also know it is impossible the percentage to be anywhere near 97%. I guess other countries' percentages should probably be checked as well.