Quote from the question: "not including overseas territories from the US or any other country" and then proceeds to give guadeloupe, an oversea territory of france.
Like it has already been explaines in a lot of comments, Guadeloupe is not an overseas territory, it's just a regular part of France, the same way Alaska and Hawaii are aprt of the USA.
As has been discussed elsewhere: Just as Alaska and Hawaii are integral territory of the USA, but Puerto Rico, Guam, US Virgin Islands, American Samoa and Northern Mariana Islands are not, France has similar distinctions between areas it controls that are non-contiguous. Thus Guadeloupe and French Guiana are part of France itself, whilst, for example, St Pierre et Miquelon is not.
Puerto Rico is still a country, it is a US protectorate, but still a different flag flies over it. Guadalupe is in the same situation but from France, so I think you have a flutter there. There is also Aruba, Curazao and Bonaire (Netherlands).
That's because you are wrong, Guadeloupe is not in the same situation. The french flag flies over it, the same way that the french flag flies over Paris.
That argument really doesn't hold up. Does that mean every state is a country because a different flag flies over it? That wouldn't make much sense. Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States, and the United States has full control over it.
Your world map has NZ at the centre? World maps here in Australia put London smack bang in the centre, so that even on our own maps we're a long way from anywhere. Well, apart from you few folks over in NZ.
what is really annoying, surprising, bizarre, is that France is there using Guadeloupe as the closest to the USA while St. Pierre and Michelon are seemingly so much closer.
That's because Guadeloupe has been made into a department of France, while St. Pierre and Miquelon remains a territory. It's confusing, but that's the reason why.
There are plenty of maps where Europe isn't in the middle. Try this one: https://esp.rt.com/actualidad/public_images/2015.01/original/54b51d1272139e19538b45a6.jpg
Or this one: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-E-XChannel/maps/USA-E-XChannel-I.jpg
And unless it is a map primarily made for sea purposes, it's also pretty intelligent to divide the largest body of water so you have don't have a big “hole” in the middle of your map.
Really surprised by Japan, but it makes so much sense now I think about how close it actually is. The world map just splits the pacific and makes it look like Japan is really far away from the U.S. Good, accurate quiz though!
"All three islands are part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, although they remain outside the European Union. Aruba and Curaçao are autonomous, self-governing constituent countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, while Bonaire is a special municipality of the Netherlands proper." - Arguably Bonaire should count, but not Aruba and Curaçao. If Bonaire did, it would be about 1195mi from Florida.
Aruba and Curacao are constituent countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Saying they should not count as part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands is like saying England is not a part of the United Kingdom.
Following that logic, Ile de France, which contains Paris, isn't part of France, because it's not a "French State". France does not consist of States - it consists of Régions and Départements, and Guadeloupe is both.
on the instructions say "Not counting overseas territories of the US or other countries" and still Guadeloupe ( which is an overseas territory of France is included.
Once more, Guadeloupe is not an overseas territory. It is part of the country of France just as Hawaii is part of the US. If you can understand how Hawaii and Alaska are states of the US but Puerto Rico and Guam are considered territories, then you should be able to understand this.Think of Guadeloupe as one of the states of France, except they don't call them states.
Guadeloupe is NOT an overseas territory of France, it is an overseas REGION of France. Substitute States for Region if that makes it easier to understand (Just as Hawaii and Alaska are non- contiguous states of the USA).
I have a concern that this quiz is incorrect (and it has nothing to do with Guadeloupe, Kiribati, Iceland, or Japan). Aruba is about the same distance from the US as the Netherlands. If my understanding is correct, Aruba is a constituent country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands; therefore it is not an overseas territory - politically, it's like England is a constituent country of the UK. Because of this, I believe the Kingdom of the Netherlands should be included in this quiz.
No it's fine, thanks to your quiz I now understand the difference between territories and states/regions/departments. Thank you. Let people learn for themselves.
I forgot that Guadeloupe isn't a territory. It's to France as Hawaii and Alaska are to the USA, therefore qualifying for this. It's annoying me looking at these people relentlessly commenting away, without doing the research to find that Guadeloupe is a department, and not a territory.
I am also annoyed by the people complaining about Guadeloupe, however, people really need to stop explaining it by comparing Guadeloupe to Hawaii and Alaska. Hawaii and Alaska are no different from any other U.S. state. They have the same rules and just as much autonomy as any mainland state. Guadeloupe is a department of France, which makes it different and more autonomous than a mainland region of France. It should not be compared to a territory or a state. It's halfway in between.
No its not. The citizens of Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guiana, Mayotte and Reunion can vote for president. They have EU citizenship. They are not autonomous. They are departments as well as regions within France and they have the same status as every mainland region.
France consists of régions, which themselves consist of départements. Some régions have many départements, others have few. It so happens that the région of Guadeloupe consists of a single département, which is also called Guadeloupe.
Recently the overseas territories of the Netherlands have been declared as an integral part of that country. So, Sint Maarten is closest to USA than Guadeloup, unless you considee than Saint Martin, which belongs also to France and is a bit closer to USA must be included as well as Saint Pierre and Miquelon in favor of France.
St Maarten would not qualify, as it's a consituent country. However by the same standards Saba and St Eustatius would, as they are an integral part of the Netherlands proper.
Actually this is a common misconception. The US has a lease on the land but Cuba actually has sovereignty over it. It is in Cuba. It's like embassies. They are "owned" by another country but the sovereignty of the land belongs to whichever country they are actually in.
Until I started taking these quizzes I never realized that France had regions or departments overseas that were similar to our states. Relessness, please don't give up trying to educate us no matter how frustrating it must be. This was a great quiz.
'Power' has nothing to do with it. Canada, the United States, and Australia all have large external regions that are not necessarily as powerful as their other divisions (Hawaii and Alaska, Canada's northern islands, and Tasmania, specifically) but are still counted as part of them in quizzes like this. If you have a problem with Guadeloupe on this quiz, you should have a problem with Japan and Russia (closest to Alaska) as well as Kiribati (closest to Hawaii).
The Territorial Collectivity of Saint Pierre and Miquelon (French: Collectivité territoriale de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon) is an overseas collectivity of France located in the North Atlantic Ocean about 30 kilometres (19 mi) south of the Canadian Island of Newfoundland.[1] The collectivity comprises a group of small islands, the main ones being Saint Pierre and Miquelon.The islands are part of France and the European Union.
I mean you are really splitting hairs here. Honestly, it is a collective which is 99% the same as being in france. Mayotte went to the next level from being a collective to overseas provincial status. Bottom line, you include Guadeloupe, you include St.pierre, or better yet, because you thought that you would be so clever to stump people on your quiz that specifically says "no territories" while including an "overseas province" -which is not the same as a french province. If you want to make this into a legal argument no problem.
I don't know enough about Saint Pierre, et. al., to comment about them specifically. But I am sure that Guadeloupe and Saint Martin
are overseas regions of France, just as French Guiana. As to the
Dutch islands, they are ALL, those which are overseas regions of the Netherlands, as well as those who have country (not sovereign country) status, part of the KINGDOM of the Netherlands and yes, therefore, integral parts of the European Union. You may compare them to the relationship England and Scotland have with the United Kingdom and that of Hawaii and Alaska to the United States.
Goodness gracious people! Guadeloupe is not a territory. It is an overseas region. Legally it is as much France as anywhere else in France. Just like Hawaii to the USA.
Can't you just cut the quiz off at 20 answers to avoid the rage about Guadeloupe? Also, in the explanation below the quiz, Guadeloupe is misspelled Guadelope.
Why shouldn't it? - A Region of a country is part of that country in question, whether it is contiguous or not. Maybe the problem here
is that we don't consult our thesaurus enough! A "region francaise
d'outre mer" is the same as the non-contiguous states of the USA:
Alaska and Hawaii. By the way, similarly, the Caribish Nederland islands of St. Eustatius, Saba and Bonaire are the same to the Netherlands as Utrecht, Amsterdam or Den Haag. They are all intrinsically part of the Netherlands, unlike St.Maarten, Curacao
nd Aruba who have country status within the Kingdom. (COUNTRY,
not Sovereign Nation status). If this is all utterly confusing, blame
If Guadeloupe counts as an intrinsic region of France - and it should - then Saba/Sint Eustatius/Bonaire should bring the Netherlands into play as they are special municipalities of the Netherlands proper, ie an integral part of the home country itself. Aruba, Curacao and Sint Maarten are, like Greenland, separate constituent countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands (and the Kingdom of Denmark).
I don't think Guadaloupe should count (partly because its the only one I didn't get!) but mostly coz its an overseas territory of France which you specifically rule out in the brief.....
I don't understand why nobody reads the numerous comments and responses regarding Guadalupe before posting their own on this thread. How many times does the same question need to be answered?
There are a lot of politically illiterate people in this audience. How can you understand that Hawaii and Alaska are non-contiguous parts of the US without being territories, yet you can't understand how the same applies to Guadeloupe?
Recycled this from above: "There are a lot of politically illiterate people in this audience. How can you understand that Hawaii and Alaska are non-contiguous parts of the US without being territories, yet you can't understand how the same applies to Guadeloupe?"
Is a constituency in the Kingdom of Denmark and therefore recieves a lot of autonomy and therefore isn't considered a country or a region of Denmark, just a dependancy.
Netherlands is 1215 miles away, at Saba. Saba is a part of the country of the Netherlands as well as being a part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, so whichever way you define "Netherlands", that country qualifies to be an answer here.
divantilya ^ has been banging on about this, correctly, for years. All six of the relevant Caribbean islands (Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao, Saba, Sint Eustatius and Sint Maarten) qualify as part of the "Kingdom of the Netherlands", three as constituent countries of the Kingdom and three as being part of the Netherlands, which is also a constituent country of the Kingdom. Jetpunk generally uses the term Netherlands as shorthand for the Kingdom, as does the UN. So I would expect any of these six islands to qualify as part of the Netherlands in a Jetpunk quiz. Therefore in this particular quiz Netherlands should be one of the answers, either because of Saba or because of St. Maarten, whichever is closer.
I agree with the other commentators that you've missed several Caribbean microstates, including St Vincent and the Grenadines St Lucia, Grenada, El Salvador. You can't include St Kitts and Nevis and not the others. It's a clear oversight.
Small correction: Columbia is closer to the US than Costa Rica and Panama for sure (not sure about Kribati, but by extension since it lands between the two, that also). That is because of San Andreas and Providencia islands off the coast of Nicaragua that are part of Columbia.
If you will include Guadeloupe (France) however I think you should also include Sint Eustatius and Saba both as the Netherlands. Both of these are overseas municipalities of the Netherlands and are closer to the US.
I understand that this does not apply to Saint Martin as they are not a municipality of the Netherlands but an overseas country that is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Doesn't count as Bermuda as an overseas territory of the UK, not part of the UK itself. Unlike, say, Guadeloupe, which is actually part of France (despite being a long way from the French mainland)
Search a little before posting nonsense
Or this one: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-E-XChannel/maps/USA-E-XChannel-I.jpg
the Netherlands (Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao?) -- Yet you included France (Guadeloupe)
So what's Guadeloupe then? Hm?
*facepalms*
I mean you are really splitting hairs here. Honestly, it is a collective which is 99% the same as being in france. Mayotte went to the next level from being a collective to overseas provincial status. Bottom line, you include Guadeloupe, you include St.pierre, or better yet, because you thought that you would be so clever to stump people on your quiz that specifically says "no territories" while including an "overseas province" -which is not the same as a french province. If you want to make this into a legal argument no problem.
are overseas regions of France, just as French Guiana. As to the
Dutch islands, they are ALL, those which are overseas regions of the Netherlands, as well as those who have country (not sovereign country) status, part of the KINGDOM of the Netherlands and yes, therefore, integral parts of the European Union. You may compare them to the relationship England and Scotland have with the United Kingdom and that of Hawaii and Alaska to the United States.
Bask in the knowledge that we are correct and the others are incorrect. That's about as much satisfaction as we're going to get
and I, for one, am tired of the arguments.
is that we don't consult our thesaurus enough! A "region francaise
d'outre mer" is the same as the non-contiguous states of the USA:
Alaska and Hawaii. By the way, similarly, the Caribish Nederland islands of St. Eustatius, Saba and Bonaire are the same to the Netherlands as Utrecht, Amsterdam or Den Haag. They are all intrinsically part of the Netherlands, unlike St.Maarten, Curacao
nd Aruba who have country status within the Kingdom. (COUNTRY,
not Sovereign Nation status). If this is all utterly confusing, blame
the politicians!
Thanks
Magnificent place to vacation, by the way...
If you will include Guadeloupe (France) however I think you should also include Sint Eustatius and Saba both as the Netherlands. Both of these are overseas municipalities of the Netherlands and are closer to the US.
I understand that this does not apply to Saint Martin as they are not a municipality of the Netherlands but an overseas country that is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.