Well, that depends on whether you value French culture, human rights, and secularism. I assume that, as a Marxist, you give lip service to the last one and disdain the rest, so for you, not that bad a thing, no. But then, France's real problem is being taken over not by Muslims but by Marxists.
I think the top answer here is pretty good. By 2050, France could be 25% Islamic, but probably less. But in the year 2100, who knows? It's definitely possible that France could be majority Islamic by then.
So what if countries change to become islamic? You think there was nothing in western countries before christianity? In what way does 'islamic' mean bad? And don't just refer to the extremists, there have been plenty of christian extremist terrorists in Northern Ireland, so maybe we should be alarmed that france is 'still' christian? What about the countries in Africa that had christianity rammed down their throats without asking? You think the west is squeaky clean? It wasn't that long ago we were executing people in the west by hanging drawing and quartering, homosexuality was illegal, etc. etc. You are assuming that islam and islamic countries won't become more liberal over the time, the same way almost all countries have. You need to get some historic perspective in your life before lecturing others with your islamaphobic messages (aimed at anyone who has an irrational fear of muslims)
In the long run, we'll all be dead so who cares. But I don't think most people like the idea of their culture becoming extinct and replaced with another one, even if it happens long after they die. It's an understandable concern, even if somewhat irrational.
though figures for atheism are always suppressed in Muslim countries and underreported in Muslim communities there is some hope that that rate of de-conversion will in the future outpace the rate that the crazies can reproduce. It's a pitched battle between Utopia and Idiocracy; admittedly the latter side seems to be winning lately but I'm still pulling for an upset.
Somewhat ironically and perhaps counter-intuitively Muslim immigrants in secular, enlightened countries often end up becoming *more* committed to their barbarism and backwardness than their counterparts in their home countries. In a place like Saudi Arabia, literally everyone is Muslim and the label is not really meaningful. Take a young Saudi man who doesn't think of himself as religious, put him in a strange place where he is othered and perhaps discriminated against for his beliefs and suddenly his religion becomes an important part of his identity. Doesn't always work that way but it sometimes does.
I'm a bit confused, are you basing that on this quiz?
I don't see anything here which says that Muslims are migrating to France - I only see data for migrants of certain countries of origin, no data on their religious inclinations at all
@roleybob. Over 99% of people in Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco are Islamic so it stands to reason that the people who immigrate from those countries to France would be mostly Islamic as well. Also, France is now (updated figures) 8.8% Islamic. This didn't happen by converting the native population.
I would be cautious about that data - there are reasons that these countries might be ostensibly 99% Muslim, while in reality there may be a large part of the population who are not practicing / don't believe / etc., and just identify as Muslim for other reasons. But I suppose we can only go by the data we have.
So if we go ahead and assume that most of these migrants are Muslim, maybe what I should have been addressing is the seemingly sinister tone of the post - not that there are Muslims migrating to France but that "France is being 'Islamified'". To me, religion - especially Abrahamic flavoured religion - is abhorrent, but I wouldn't assume that anyone who moved near me had sinister motives simply based on the country they came from.
'Germany, Italy, Portugal, Serbia and France *xenophobic remark about a lot of Christians moving to Switzerland*' doesn't seem so acceptable, I'll bet?
Maybe I'm missing the point or have inferred the tone incorrectly
all this talk of birth rates, proportion of Muslims in France, and French culture being threatened etc, is absolutely ridiculous and also kinda sad.
just because there are many Muslims in France doesn't mean that they intend to (or can) change the country's politics or culture towards a more "Islamic" orientation, whatever that means.
a country changes its immigrants just as much as immigrants change a country. cultures change and evolve as they mix with each other, birth rates evolve, religions evolve. people have children with people from different cultural and religious backgrounds and the children then grow up to find their own cultural/religious identities and practices at the crossroads between the different parts of their heritage.
all this fear-mongering talk of France becoming "Islamic" is just racist and ignorant.
So we’re all a-skeered that Muslims will be growing in population in Western countries, and spreading their terrible, awful, extremist views. It’s a good thing we know for CERTAIN that Islam will be exactly the same as it is today, and, in fact, become more radical. It’s just like how Christianity has also stayed exactly set in stone, like back when Baptists like Jimmy Carter were expressing their pro-choice views, or marching for civil rights with Dr. King. Oh but wait! Let’s also not forget the Crusades, the Counter-Reformation, the Inquisition, etc. Seems we haven’t stormed Jerusalem in a few hundred years! Hmm. It’s almost like religious expression changes and evolves over time, and then back again, and then in another direction yet again, due to myriad variables no one can accurately predict or interpret.
I'm not scared about what Islam will become, but I am troubled by what I know it presently is. I'm not a big fan of Christianity, either. But Islam is undoubtedly significantly worse.
There's a decent sized serbian population there but a lot of those Serbs are actually Kosovo Albanians. Albanians love Switzerland, serbs generally prefer Austria or Germany
I know a few Serbo-Croats who emigrated out of former Yugoslavia. Many went to Germany and Switzerland for job opportunities and took their families with them over time. Apparently German was one of the languages they could learn in school to be economically competitive, so Germany and Switzerland make sense if that's true.
1. Proximity. Countries close to each other swap more immigrants.
2. Previous empires, occupations, and spheres of influence. flowing in both directions.
3. Cultural ties. Though this is often the same thing as 1 and/or 2, it can also mean a common religion or common language.
4. Population. Big countries with more people tend to produce more immigrants in other countries. If country A is farther away than country B, but also has 10x more people, the extra distance doesn't matter so much.
5. Economie s. Poor countries with bad job markets usually send workers to more prosperous countries.
6. Ease of immigration. Often affected by 1, 2, and 3. It can also have to do with common economic zones and political relationships.
7. Consider any anecdotal information you have, if you have any anecdotal or personal knowledge of historically large immigrant communities.
Do that and you shouldn't have to guess more than 2 or 3 max..
Also include countries that have civil wars or humanitarian crises (such as Syria) because there are often a lot of refugees from those countries immigrating to other countries.
Taiwan has the greatest number of migrants in China? Do you even know that Chinese people went to colonize Taiwan? I mean, Taiwanese people ARE Chinese people (except the aboriginals, but well I don't think they have great numbers), how can it be that they are migrants in China? I don't think this even makes sense.
Technically, Taiwan is not even a different state. It is controversial, but I wouldn't include it in a quiz like this.
Technically, it is a different state. Though the People's Republic of China claims Taiwan, and the Republic of China claims China, both governments fail to exert any control over the territory of the other.
Germans used to be very widespread, far beyond the borders of the current German-speaking areas, for various historical reasons. Even now there's a meaningful minority of them in Kazakhstan after some Soviet relocations put them there in the 40s.
Most of the people leaving Kazakhstan are ethnic Russians, Jews, etc., not Kazakhs. They and their ancestors came there in Soviet times, and are moving to whatever strong economy will give them the best prospects in life. An emigration quiz (where people are going from countries with major out-migration) would be interesting, but would probably show this.
As a German myself I wondered as well. I've never seen anyone from Kazakhstan where I live (near Stuttgart). I knew one guy in School who came from Kyrgyzstan but no Kazakhs^^Instead there are Italians, Greeks and Croats everywhere so I was really surprised to not see them on this list. So I only got the obvious ones like Turks, Poles and Syrians. Russia surprised me as well not because of Russians living here but rather that there seem to be more Russians than Italians but I guess it makes sense because of things that happened in the past.
Ok after looking this up a bit more I think the creator of this quiz made some mistakes here. Wikipedia says the five biggest immigration groups in Germany are Turks, Poles, Italians, Romanians and Greeks and I think that sounds more like the Germany I know from living in it. Oh and the source linked by Wikipedia are official statistics by the German Government so yeah Kazakhs are not even in the Top 20 as I suspected and there are no Russians or Syrians in the Top 5 as well. Croats come at 6, Russians at 7 and Syrians are only at 17 despite the refugee crisis.
I'm really surprised it's still up, the original comment was made in 2017. There is only a small number of Kazakhs in Germany, and even counting Russian Kazakhs or German Kazakhs, it's still a small number. I live in Hamburg (second biggest city) and know many many Russians, Syrians, Turks, Italians, Poles, Iranians, even Armenians and Ghanaians. Not a single Kazakh though haha.
same, I know afghans, russians, polish, ukrainians, Chinese, koreans, iranians, brazilians, americans, and even tajiks and srilankans but not a single Kazakh person. or is that just bc of where I live
Why would a Brazilian want to migrate to China? And there are more Germans in South America than you would think (Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Argentina, Bolivia (and possibly Peru).
China has very little immigration so small numbers can move the needle a lot. My guess is that this comes from ethnically Chinese people born in Brazil moving to China. China generally does not allow immigration except to ethnically Chinese people.
p.s. All this data comes from the UN with two exceptions. 1) Taiwanese immigration to China. According to the UN, Taiwan doesn't exist. 2) Syrian immigration to Germany.
Interesting that South Korea is #1 for immigrants to China. South Korea is one of the most developed nations in the world, let alone Asia. I wonder if it's just an overcrowding issue? Why would someone want to move TO a communist country?
Forgot Italy... for some reason i only think of Italian immigration in the 20th century... also i wonder if Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras were one country, would they be on the list for USA...
Got nearly all except for my own country. I was racking my brains, what other major country would immigrate to Australia?? Oh. New Zealand. My own sister-in-law for example.
I just made a similar comment to the following in #3 of this quiz series: the reason why there is on these figures apparently a large immigration from Germany to the UK is that in previous decades children of British servicemen and -women happened sometimes to be born in Germany. So when those families have returned to the UK those children are nevertheless counted as having been born in Germany. Which they were.
Didn't consider Taiwan as a separate country entity from China so I missed that one... not sure if it should be considered either but that's a political debate we don't need to get into lol
- 38.0% of Canadian residents in 2011 were foreign-born immigrants or their Canada-born children
-- 26.7% of Canadian Children under 15y/o in 2011 were the children of immigrants
-- 31.5% of Children in 2021
Given current trends, as of today about 7% of the Canadian resident population is now a "Non-Permanent Resident" -- their share of the population has more than tripled since 2016."
The fourth estate has failed. People are being deceived. Data and statistics are now "racist". You will vote in compliance with what special interest groups allow you to.
All this ignorant comment section about muslims people is so ridiculously out-of-place.
The France called people from their colonies to re-build the country after WWII and then to work in factories where no one else wanted to. They then choosed to bring their family/have their children there to give them better opportunies. They're just average people who, to be fair, are nothing more than that.
I never thought so many could spread such fake information especially the very one running this *education-oriented* site.
"Last year, 69 percent of violent robberies and other violent crimes, including sexual assaults, on public transport in the greater Paris region of Île-de-France were perpetrated by foreign nationals, according to the annual figures of the SSMSI, the statistics bureau of the French Ministry of Interior.
However, looking closer at the data, it is revealed that Africans alone are responsible for 52 percent of such crimes while only representing 3.2 percent of the population of France.*
Even for all of France, the data clearly shows that African nationals account for 42 percent of the above-mentioned types of crimes, way above their statistical weight within the French population.
Regarding crimes specific to public transport, the situation has actually not changed substantially over the years. The last time Remix News reported on such data in 2020, 69 percent of sexual assaults were committed by foreigners at that time as well."
32/25, missed Serbia, Ukraine, Belarus. Didn't even realize Bahrain was one of the countries until the end, got all of those ones when guessing for others
Can we really say that some 4th gen algerian in like 2070 with mixed parentage will be the same as one who walked off the boat right now?
No.
Somewhat ironically and perhaps counter-intuitively Muslim immigrants in secular, enlightened countries often end up becoming *more* committed to their barbarism and backwardness than their counterparts in their home countries. In a place like Saudi Arabia, literally everyone is Muslim and the label is not really meaningful. Take a young Saudi man who doesn't think of himself as religious, put him in a strange place where he is othered and perhaps discriminated against for his beliefs and suddenly his religion becomes an important part of his identity. Doesn't always work that way but it sometimes does.
I don't see anything here which says that Muslims are migrating to France - I only see data for migrants of certain countries of origin, no data on their religious inclinations at all
So if we go ahead and assume that most of these migrants are Muslim, maybe what I should have been addressing is the seemingly sinister tone of the post - not that there are Muslims migrating to France but that "France is being 'Islamified'". To me, religion - especially Abrahamic flavoured religion - is abhorrent, but I wouldn't assume that anyone who moved near me had sinister motives simply based on the country they came from.
'Germany, Italy, Portugal, Serbia and France *xenophobic remark about a lot of Christians moving to Switzerland*' doesn't seem so acceptable, I'll bet?
Maybe I'm missing the point or have inferred the tone incorrectly
all this talk of birth rates, proportion of Muslims in France, and French culture being threatened etc, is absolutely ridiculous and also kinda sad.
just because there are many Muslims in France doesn't mean that they intend to (or can) change the country's politics or culture towards a more "Islamic" orientation, whatever that means.
a country changes its immigrants just as much as immigrants change a country. cultures change and evolve as they mix with each other, birth rates evolve, religions evolve. people have children with people from different cultural and religious backgrounds and the children then grow up to find their own cultural/religious identities and practices at the crossroads between the different parts of their heritage.
all this fear-mongering talk of France becoming "Islamic" is just racist and ignorant.
1. Proximity. Countries close to each other swap more immigrants.
2. Previous empires, occupations, and spheres of influence. flowing in both directions.
3. Cultural ties. Though this is often the same thing as 1 and/or 2, it can also mean a common religion or common language.
4. Population. Big countries with more people tend to produce more immigrants in other countries. If country A is farther away than country B, but also has 10x more people, the extra distance doesn't matter so much.
5. Economie s. Poor countries with bad job markets usually send workers to more prosperous countries.
6. Ease of immigration. Often affected by 1, 2, and 3. It can also have to do with common economic zones and political relationships.
7. Consider any anecdotal information you have, if you have any anecdotal or personal knowledge of historically large immigrant communities.
Do that and you shouldn't have to guess more than 2 or 3 max..
Technically, Taiwan is not even a different state. It is controversial, but I wouldn't include it in a quiz like this.
- 2541 non-permanent residents.
- 1290 permanent resident immigrants.
- 1029 births.
to their population.
- 38.0% of Canadian residents in 2011 were foreign-born immigrants or their Canada-born children
-- 26.7% of Canadian Children under 15y/o in 2011 were the children of immigrants
-- 31.5% of Children in 2021
Given current trends, as of today about 7% of the Canadian resident population is now a "Non-Permanent Resident" -- their share of the population has more than tripled since 2016."
The fourth estate has failed. People are being deceived. Data and statistics are now "racist". You will vote in compliance with what special interest groups allow you to.
All this ignorant comment section about muslims people is so ridiculously out-of-place.
The France called people from their colonies to re-build the country after WWII and then to work in factories where no one else wanted to. They then choosed to bring their family/have their children there to give them better opportunies. They're just average people who, to be fair, are nothing more than that.
I never thought so many could spread such fake information especially the very one running this *education-oriented* site.
However, looking closer at the data, it is revealed that Africans alone are responsible for 52 percent of such crimes while only representing 3.2 percent of the population of France.*
Even for all of France, the data clearly shows that African nationals account for 42 percent of the above-mentioned types of crimes, way above their statistical weight within the French population.
Regarding crimes specific to public transport, the situation has actually not changed substantially over the years. The last time Remix News reported on such data in 2020, 69 percent of sexual assaults were committed by foreigners at that time as well."
Education is invaluable. Publish the data.