When I did a countries/oceans quiz I came to the very uncertain conclusion that it borders both Indian and Pacific! (http://www.jetpunk.com/user-quizzes/91108/countries-bordering-2-oceans)
Technically, Timor Island is located in the East Indian Archipelago, which is the border between the two Oceans (Indian Ocean limit is in the Southern shores of the Archipelago, Pacific Ocean limit is in its northern shores). These are the official borders fixed by IHO, and that means that that zone is not part of any Ocean. It's like Mediterranean Sea, which is not part of Atlantic Ocean. But unlike Mediterranean Sea, which can be included into Atlantic Ocean following continuity reasons, it's not possible to put that area in any ocean following the same rules. That means East Timor can be seen as a Pacific or an Indian Ocean country up to your free interpretation. I think the most common interpretation is the "both" one, considering the southern shores of Sumatra, Java and Timor as Indian Ocean borders, and everything northern as part of the Pacific Ocean. But the correct one is: "none"!
East Timor juts out into the Banda Sea, which is connected to the Pacific Ocean, and into the Timor Sea, which is arguably the Indian Ocean. The vast majority live on the Banda Sea side (Dili, the capital, is on the Banda Sea), so I vote in.
If you include brunei and especially indonesia (as a whole, where east timor is just within it), then there is no reason at all to exclude east timor out of this quiz
The argument would be that the island of Timor lies (kind of) in an oceanic wedge formed by Sumatra, Java, and the more-or-less straight line of most of the Lesser Sunda Islands. This gives the appearance of an Indian Ocean wedge between Indonesia and Australia that goes well west of Singapore, for example. I don't know, but there might be a cycling of currents in that area that come from and head back to Indian (rather than the Pacific) Ocean waters.
Singapore is an islands only connected via bridge. As for Malaysia, the title says countries that lie on islands, thus countries that lie only on islands.
Plus, even though there is about the same land on Borneo and the Mainland in Malaysia, a large proportion of the population, including the capital city, is on the mainland
Am I missing something, or should Australia not be included? Pretty sure it's an island in the Pacific. The quiz says it "includes all seas connected to the pacific" so, surely it should be there?
Australians generally consider our country to be an island nation and a Pacific nation. However, it is in the middle of the Pacific and Indian Oceans, so it's arguable whether the whole country could be considered to be mostly in the Pacific.
While this can of worms is open, does anyone really know what defines a continent instead of an Island? Like how is Cuba not the mainland of North America and Canada through Panama are island nations. Is it just arbitrary lines and decisions agreed upon by those in power?
Yes, it's just arbitrary lines and conventions and there's not really anyone "in power"; or rather, who's "in power" depends on the context, like most things in language (this is, after all, about semantics). For example, textbook publishers in the UK follow a different convention than textbook publishers in the US, let alone non-anglophone countries around the world.
That said, although there's lots of opportunity for debate about edge cases, you won't really find many adherents for an idea like yours, since it's so obvious that the mainland of North America is much larger than any of the bodies we consider its islands, like Cuba.
The original idea of a contitent, at all, was to distinguish three shores of the Mediterranean from each other, so it was really a much more local idea. As the map filled in for more people, it's become just a handy convention, but a more or less meaningless taxonomy (as are most coarse taxonomies).
Since there are only a handful of island nations in the Indian Ocean, they could be added to this quiz and rename it to "Pacific and Indian Ocean Island Countries" and then the East Timor debate can go way.
"Singapore ... is a sovereign island city-state in maritime Southeast Asia. It lies about one degree of latitude (137 kilometres or 85 miles) north of the equator, off the southern tip of the Malay Peninsula, bordering the Straits of Malacca to the west, the Riau Islands to the south, and the South China Sea to the east."
Wikipedia. No mention of the Indian Ocean there. Although the South China Sea is considered to be part of the Western Pacific Ocean...
Forget Wikipedia and anything that others say. Let's make it simple. Look at the map and tell me, where would you put the border between the Indian ocean and the Pacific so that Singapore would not belong to the Pacific? I would be very interested in debating over your reasoning, if you do.
Australia and Malaysia are definitely missing. Some people insist that Madagascar should be included. It should be reconsidered. Cyprus is more “connected” to the Atlantic.
Nope, not Malaysia. It has areas on Mainland Asia. Australia can be included, since there is no strict criteria of differentiating an island and continent.
I'm a little concerned about your definition of a "connected sea"... if we're considering Singapore, why not Sri Lanka? Why not the Maldives? The South China Sea is so clearly defined that, although it is technically peripheral to the Indian and Pacific Oceans, I really don't think Singapore should be on here. Additionally, although I understand that Australia lies primarily on a continent, not an island, it's generally considered part of the "Oceania" or "Australia and the Pacific" region, while places like Singapore, Brunei, and Japan are not, so maybe consider either adding it or removing the Asian countries? Also, if you're going to say "mostly," Malaysia should certainly be on here, as the majority of its land is on Borneo.
One could argue that it's too big, but Australia is still a country, an island and entirely located in the Pacific Ocean. I think it should be in this list.
Australia forms the border in some respects between the Pacific, Indian and Southern Oceans, so its on the "edge" of each of them.
While fitting the definition of island (which also applies to Asia, Africa and the Americas) the difference in area compared to the next biggest island (Greenland) is as good a reason as any to draw the line there.
If Europe, which is just a large peninsula of Asia qualifies as a continent, then Australia, of similar area surely does
Yup, by over 30,000 square miles (85,000 square km.) Papua New Guinea is very close to the equator so many of the map projections we're used to make it look smaller than things further away, like Japan. Play with "The True Size Of..." and see!
Definitely change the "seas connected to the Pacific" instruction - that's way too vague, and in reality means almost all seas in the world.
I'd suggest you just choose your countries and leave it at that. Giving an instruction then including a country "because it is uncertain" means quizzers are even more in the dark.
edit: P.S. I enjoyed the quiz, always almost forget Vanuatu but that makes it easier to remember at the last second :)
The questions that arise when we attempt to put boundaries on oceans would confound even the greatest of minds. When I was a kid, I asked my dad, "Dad, what's the most important part of a car?" He looked at me and said nothing. That was a good answer.
With the best will in the world I cannot put Singapore on the Malay peninsular connecting the Indian Ocean to the South China Sea as a Pacific Island. East Timor is given as a 'not sure' and it is 1,590 miles nearer the Pacific than Singapore is.
I’m just gonna pile on with everyone else - assuming this quiz complies with Jetpunk norms, then those norms must be Irish. They must be, if Singapore is a pacific island, but Australia is not, and even the USA (admittedly not mostly on islands) doesn’t feature… I have sailed across the Pacific thirteen times, usually going on via Singapore, and this description simply does not match reality.
Apparently the Pacific includes most of South East Asia.. or someone needs to go and look at a map...
That said, although there's lots of opportunity for debate about edge cases, you won't really find many adherents for an idea like yours, since it's so obvious that the mainland of North America is much larger than any of the bodies we consider its islands, like Cuba.
The original idea of a contitent, at all, was to distinguish three shores of the Mediterranean from each other, so it was really a much more local idea. As the map filled in for more people, it's become just a handy convention, but a more or less meaningless taxonomy (as are most coarse taxonomies).
-Fiji
-Samoa
-Vanuatu
-Malaysia
Pick the odd one out and it makes absolute sense as to why it should not be there.
Wikipedia. No mention of the Indian Ocean there. Although the South China Sea is considered to be part of the Western Pacific Ocean...
Good quiz though I managed to get them all.
You can see that northern East Timor touches the pacific.
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Australia forms the border in some respects between the Pacific, Indian and Southern Oceans, so its on the "edge" of each of them.
While fitting the definition of island (which also applies to Asia, Africa and the Americas) the difference in area compared to the next biggest island (Greenland) is as good a reason as any to draw the line there.
If Europe, which is just a large peninsula of Asia qualifies as a continent, then Australia, of similar area surely does
I'd suggest you just choose your countries and leave it at that. Giving an instruction then including a country "because it is uncertain" means quizzers are even more in the dark.
edit: P.S. I enjoyed the quiz, always almost forget Vanuatu but that makes it easier to remember at the last second :)