Can you name these nine countries which aren't recognized by JetPunk but meet other criteria for nationhood?
Countries that have self-proclaimed country status plus mass recognition by other countries AND/OR clear independence in their self-administration from any associated countries
Åland has some autonomy, but I don't think it's taken as far as the territories mentioned in this quiz. Åland has also a seat in the Finnish parliament.
Interesting, with the exception of Palestine, all of these are colonies with a high degree of autonomy, as opposed to countries with limited recognition like South Ossetia. If they wanted full independence I doubt anyone would mind. Furthermore, there are many UN recognized countries with the same situation.
In most cases the countries they are associated with don't mind, and it is their own choose not to cut the last link (one of the reason is defence. If you are tiny and big countries like china russia or the US would try to attack you, they wouldn't stand a chance)
Sint Maarten, Aruba, and Curacao are constituent countries in the Kingdom of the Netherlands, just like how Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland are in the United Kingdom. They are very much not colonies.
Also, how did you figure out which countries belong on this quiz as opposed to countries 205+. I agree with your decisions, except for Western Sahara, but when I went to citypopulation.de there was no difference.
These ones exhibit more obviously the traits of countries, either by self-proclaimed country status plus mass recognition by other countries, and/or clear independence in their self-administration from any associated countries. As benchmark comparators, we note that Taiwan, recognized by 23 countries; Marshall Islands and Micronesia, whose defence are both run by the US; Cyprus and Georgia, each of with large chunks of territory under foreign administration; and Vatican City, with just UN-observer status, are all considered to display enough nationhood to qualify as one of the 196 nations of the Countries of the World quiz . The "countries" in the Countries 206 to 242 quiz fall far below these measures.
That is not a country but belongs to france. Eventhough it shares an island with Sint Maarten. No reason to accept a bordering territory as an answer instead of the actual name of the country. You don't call Spain Gibraltar or French Guiana Suriname.
Yes the names are similar and in my examples they aren't, but calling something by the name of another excisting but different thing, you just shouldn't do.
Like tongues, tongs and thongs are similar but when it is about picking bread items in the supermarket, I would really only want people to use one of these, and not the others.. ;)
It's similar to the island of Hispaniola, which has two countries, Haiti and Dominican Republic, except in this case the entire island which is called Saint Martin in English, Saint-Martin in French, and Sint Maarten in Dutch, is divided into two parts - the French collectivity of Saint-Martin in the north, and the Dutch country of Sint Maarten in the south. The English name Saint Martin only refers to the entire island, as far as I can tell, and not to either of the divisions. Someone please correct me if that's wrong.
It is a territory of New Zealand. Tokelau has voted twice on proposals to become a nation in free association with New Zealand, like Cook Islands and Niue, in 2006 and 2007, but both votes failed to pass.
I don't agree with including the component countries of the Dutch and Danish crowns on this list. They are no more independent than say Bermuda, Gibraltar or the Falkland islands are. Niue and Cook Is, fair enough, they are actually UN members at lower levels as is Palestine, a UN observer. But SADR is a joke - it's basically a couple of refugee camps in Algeria - the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and Somaliland display way more sovereignty than SADR - the TRNC has fully exercised sovereignty since 1974...
Fair points, though with SADR there is a clearly demarcated line of control between the area occupied by Morocco and the area controlled by SADR; I see parallels between that situation and Georgia/South Ossetia/Abkhazia or Cyprus/Northern Cyprus. Most importantly though, not one single country has recognized Morocco's claim to Western Sahara's territory following its invasion. The difference between the component countries of the Kingdoms of Netherlands and Denmark, and the relationship of the UK to Bermuda, Gibraltar and Falkland Islands, is that the UK's territories are unambiguously territories. Conversely, no-one suggests that Greenland, Aruba etc, are territories and not countries. But I take your point that Greenland, Aruba, etc are more ambiguous in their status, being countries within kingdoms.
There is one big difference - Palestine is recognised by 138 nations, and Catalonia by none. In fact, Palestine ought to be in the Countries of the World quiz, as it is on Sporcle.
@Georgerandy Palestine is not a "part of a country that wants independence". They are a pre-existing country that was pushed aside by another (kind of illegal) settlement of Jews, which ultimately developed into Israel. I'm not against the presence of Jews in Palestine, it's just that the Zionists (which i understand are a small part of the Israeli citizens) are too aggressive and are not settling down to talk fairly.
Definitely not a pre-existing country. There has never really been an independent Palestine. Ottoman Empire -> British Mandate -> Israel/Palestinian Authority/Hamas.
If you are not a French speaker, I think the confusion is due to the nearby country of Guyana in South America, which is actually an English-speaking country close to French Guiana (or Guyane in French).
^ You're right. Empirically more Puerto Ricans wish to become the 51st US State than want to be independent. States have more rights than Territories and many on the island have observed the economic deterioration in some of the islands which have opted for independence. (i. e. Haiti is still struggling after more than two centuries of independence).
Maybe the british crown depencies Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man should been listed here. They have a high degree of independence, except for defense and foreign affairs, that UK is taking care of.
OK, we'll replace it with a famous photo from the same answer: the beach by its main airport, which features spectacular low flyovers by planes as they land.
Greenland and the Faroe Islands are not in free association with Denmark.They are autonomous parts of the Kingdom of Denmark whose powers are devolved from the Danish parliament (similar to Scotland and Wales' status within the UK).
They are both. A free association between states is one where there is a minor partner in a formal, free relationship between a political territory with a degree of statehood and a (usually larger) nation, for which no other specific term, such as protectorate, is adopted.
I've never had a good understanding of this issue. The US has free association agreements with FS Micronesia, Palua, and the Marshall Islands, and they are considered one of the 196, so what is the difference between those nations and the ones you list here? What else is required to be recognized as a sovereign nation, and are any of these on the pathway to that?
These are all UN members and recognised as independent by every country, however the countries in free association here are not independent and do not have significant independence movements.
I still haven't seen a comment truly explaining why Abkhazia and South Ossetia aren't on this list. They are more recognized as independent than some others on the list. And (although I don't agree) JetPunk seems to have conceded Crimea to Russia in all its maps, so it's not a JP anti-Russia-military thing.
Abkhazia and South Ossetia are really just territories de facto Russian-occupied, but recognised by the majority of countries as legally part of Georgia.
It's nice to see you think that one quiz website's editor is a better judge of what a country is than the combined leadership of the 190+ member states of the United Nations.
exactly. What's more likely to be neutral? If your answer is a huge bureaucratic political body where everything is decided by committee, that's obviously the wrong answer. A single informed person without any particular political axe to grind, with no diplomatic or economic interests or ulterior motives, who applies the same consistent standard to every country they evaluate, can make much more impartial judgments than a gigantic organization that can only make decisions through voting which of course is ruled by popularity, politics, and various causes du jour.
What a ridiculous false choice. No-one is being asked to choose between the leadership of 137 nations and our esteemed quizmaster, even though it is more likely the combined wisdom of the said 137 countries and the origination declarer would carry the greater weight than one person. What we suggest people do is to decide from first principles: is the unilateral declaration of independence by a country, followed by its recognition by 137 other countries, enough to qualify it as being a country in the eyes of what you would describe as any person with no particular axe to grind, with no diplomatic or economic interests or ulterior motives?
Right. And from 1945-1971, The Republic of China (Taiwan) was a real, sovereign country, while The People's Republic of China (China) was not... but then in 1971 even though nothing had changed, Taiwan magically ceased to be sovereign and China instantly popped into being. That had nothing at all to do with politics, right?
Interesting aruba is here but it is an accepted type-in for caribbean netherlands on the 206 - 242 quiz. Not complaining, it makes it easier to complete.
Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey are all British Crown Dependencies, whereas Faroe Islands and Greenland are two of the three constituent countries that comprise the Kingdom of Denmark.
Yes, but their level of independence are the same. They are all independent, except in defence and foreign affairs. The crown dependencies share queen with UK, but that are also Canada and Australia doing.
This quiz seems a bit vague!? How does Bougainville not qualify? Autonomous region of Papua New Guinea, that last year (2019) held a independence referendum (overseen by New Zealand) in which 98% voted for full independence...? Check out unpo.org (Unrepresented nations and peoples organisation) and James Ker-Lindsay's YouTube channel for more info on partially recognised states! P.s. Free Barotseland!
As the referendum is non-binding the 98% vote in favour of independence did not trigger independence automatically; in fact Bougainville hasn't declared independence yet.
Shouldn't England,Wales and Scotland be listed here as well? They're in similar relation with each other as Netherlands, Aruba, Sint Maarten and Curacao.
Yes, I confirm this. Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba are special municipalities of the country of the Netherlands that are located in the Caribbean.
Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten are different, these are other countries within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. They share the same king of the Netherlands as the head of state, but they have their own prime ministers.
why is Kosovo a country for you, but not Palestine? That doesn't make sense because both are recognized by an almost equal proportion of UN members. Israel is merely an apartheid regime that has murdered innocent Palestinians and brutally taken over the country. Sorry for my bad English, I'm from Lebanon
Kosovo functions as an independent country, Palestine doesn't. Israel does as well, no matter how much you dislike it. JetPunk generally looks at the actual situation on the ground, rather than what is fair/ legal/...
Yes the names are similar and in my examples they aren't, but calling something by the name of another excisting but different thing, you just shouldn't do.
Like tongues, tongs and thongs are similar but when it is about picking bread items in the supermarket, I would really only want people to use one of these, and not the others.. ;)
If you'll add Catalonia it will be ok to add palestine
Definitely not a pre-existing country. There has never really been an independent Palestine. Ottoman Empire -> British Mandate -> Israel/Palestinian Authority/Hamas.
https://www.jetpunk.com/user-quizzes/63858/countries-206-to-242
Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten are different, these are other countries within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. They share the same king of the Netherlands as the head of state, but they have their own prime ministers.