what is the argument that Moses Malone could possibly be ranked higher than Karl Malone? MVP's or championships I will need to do some research. This is a good list overall.
Michael Jordan played the game on a completely different level than everyone else. There's not much I could write here that hasn't already been said, but I am happy that there seems to be very little controversy among this group that he's #1 of all-time, and I really have a hard time imagine his accomplishments ever being eclipsed. He was just so damn good.
he doesn't have the most rings as a first option, doesn't have the most mvps, doesn't have the most all nbas, doesn't have the most all star selections, doesn't have the most points... could go on and on... there is a debate about the greatest ever whether you like it or not...
No, there isn't. Younger people think stats always tell the whole story because having every stat imaginable immediately available on the internet means this is how you have every single argument. You scramble to the reference page and then just start firing off numbers without context.
Michael Jordan is the best basketball player of all-time.
There can be a "debate" about anything if enough people insist on being wrong. Just about everyone who actually saw both Jordan and LeBron play say Jordan was better. The only reason there is a "growing number" of people saying it's LeBron is because there is a growing number of people who have seen LeBron play, but never saw Jordan play.
Zero clue why Kevin Love is on this list, especially since Giannis, Kawhi, and Jokic are all missing. Not sure how they aren't included. And KD and Curry should be much higher. List definitely needs an update. (Ik this isn't Quizmaster's personal ranking)
Draymond at 88? A guy whose highlight reel is just him punching and kicking people in the nuts? Really? The guy who singlehandedly cost his team a championship with a stupid technical foul? This is what we're going with?
And Frazier and Monroe are in but Hardaway, Mullin, Rose, Wallace, etc. are not? Odd list.
Frazier easily deserves top 100, not sure what the confusion is there. Best player on the 73 Knicks and should've won FMVP over Willis Reed.
I agree about Mullin, Hardaway, and Wallace. But Rose had a two-year peak and basically disappeared from the league after 2015. It's hard to put him in the same tier as someone like Klay Thompson who never had the peak but had the consistent success and longer career.
Draymond Green feels like a big reach. He is definitely NOT a top 100 all-time player. There are a lot of great defenders that are not on this list who were more effective offensive players than he is.
If he never plays with Steph Curry, he never sniffs top 250, much less top 100.
The issue is that many of those defenders don't have four rings. I'm not a Draymond fan or Warriors fan at all but it's hard to take that away from him. And he'd legitimately have a Finals MVP if the Dubs managed to win Game 7 in 2016.
Same goes for Klay, if he wasn't playing with Curry he'd probably never be as effective as he was. But he got lucky in that sense, and he's an all-time great because of it.
Dude Klay gets his open shots because he plays on Steph Curry's team and defenses would rather guard him. Klay can't pass, can't rebound, and can't dribble. He's 3 and D, that's it. Yes he'd be a great player wherever he went but I seriously doubt he'd reach the HOF if he wasn't in a system that rewards his style of play like the Warriors.
For sure he's probably not a hall of famer, considering guys like Shawn Kemp and Shawn Marion are not hall of famers. But Klay is certainly more than "3 and D" as he was a perennial all-star. That shouldn't be considered "3 and D" he's more than just that. But yes, he wouldn't be as good without Steph, but he's still a part of the Warriors' big 3.
Hey QM, just thought I'd point out that a lot of the years that the players started their careers are wrong. For example, LeBron started in 2003 not 2004, and Magic started in 1979 not 1980.
The craziest one is Wilt starting in 1952 when he didn't actually start until 1959
This. it's quite confusing with these factual errors. We can all have our opinions about who should be on the list and placed how high, but facts need to be correct.
Jimmy Butler at 83 might be the most embarrassing placement out of the whole list. I guess some all star appearances and NBA second team accolades can make you nearly top 80 all-time. What a joke
So tell me how Shai isnt on here when he is a 2x time MVP, 1x time Champion (about to win his 2nd) AND has lead the thunder to 3 straight 1st seed regular seasons.
He shouldnt just be on this list, he MUST be top 50 ATLEAST if you want any credability.
Michael Jordan is the best basketball player of all-time.
And Frazier and Monroe are in but Hardaway, Mullin, Rose, Wallace, etc. are not? Odd list.
I agree about Mullin, Hardaway, and Wallace. But Rose had a two-year peak and basically disappeared from the league after 2015. It's hard to put him in the same tier as someone like Klay Thompson who never had the peak but had the consistent success and longer career.
If he never plays with Steph Curry, he never sniffs top 250, much less top 100.
Same goes for Klay, if he wasn't playing with Curry he'd probably never be as effective as he was. But he got lucky in that sense, and he's an all-time great because of it.
The craziest one is Wilt starting in 1952 when he didn't actually start until 1959
Might as well have Luc Longley on here.
Russell was 15 points / 4 assists for his career, hes basically Robert Horry with extra rebounds.
No way hes 5th all time.
He shouldnt just be on this list, he MUST be top 50 ATLEAST if you want any credability.