Couldn't think of "Des Moines" when it clearly starts with an M. You can't count "des" like an article, can you? Does "The Gambia" belong with the Ts or the Gs? Or the Dutch (and other) surnames where you got someone van/von something. Catherine of Aragorn, is her surname Of Aragorn? or just Aragorn? Language is hard.
Yes, but the name itself was anglicized from that. I gave that example because the original commenter mentioned excluding "van/von". Not the best example though, fair enough.
I would consider a city like Los Angeles to be categorized under L even though the first word's an article
Life long Des Moines resident here! We pronounce it like "DUH MOYNS," instead of the French pronunciation which would be more like "DEH MWAN." It, for all intents and purposes, appears to be from the French for "some monks" but the etymology is a bit hazy. It's actually such a running joke in the area that a popular local screen printing company, RAY GUN, sells T-shirts that read " Des Moines: French for the Moines." So despite being an article in French, it's definitely an indispensable part of the city name. Hope that helps clear up any confusion!
That's still what it says in wiki. Or here: Many locals and visitors mistakenly say “Dez Moines” or “Des MOE-in,” but these are incorrect. If you want to sound like a native, stick with duh MOYN for the best results.
Does „El Salvador“ start with an E or an S? Personally, I wouldnt have thought of Des Moines if it was stored under M. Same with Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
/\This. The original complaint is stupid. Yes, grammaticaly, "des" is an article, but "Des Moines" is a name and therefore, it's not bound by standart grammar, yet alone one of a different language. Like you said. Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San Diego, etc. Names have different grammar than standart language.
The rules differ in English (as usual). The name "van der Bilt", for example, would be listed under "B" in Dutch, while In English, it is automatically changed to Vanderbilt and listed under "V". I can't speak about Des Moines, since I'm not sure how it was originally written.
There would be literally no reason to include the Denali question if you didn't want to make a political statement about supporting the false name change. You updated the quiz just to let everyone know you agree with this administration's incorrect choice.
I don't read it that way at all. It's just a statement of fact that the "official" name was changed back. There's no judgement on whether that change is positive or negative.
Wrong. She is correct they wanted to make the statement. The question could have been framed as: "What natives call the tallest peak in the USA." And that be it.
Whereas you are totally politically unbiased and didn't just call one of the name changes false even though it was done in exactly the same way as the one in 2015. Oh wait, that's exactly what you did.
The U.S. Government is allowed to rename places in the U.S. whether or not you agree with them.
I would consider a city like Los Angeles to be categorized under L even though the first word's an article
Her mother was Isabella I of Castile.
Note they have the same middle name - "of", which they also passed to their daughter. ;)
The U.S. Government is allowed to rename places in the U.S. whether or not you agree with them.